United - Who is ready to fly?

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

All bs aside, what would some of you guys done if that was you? I know I would have been pissed but I can promise you I would not have acted the way this guy did. I would have taken $800 and a hotel and meal vouchers and caught the next flight out. It's a damn shame that this idiot will collect any money at all. Like someone said earlier, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I can tell you 800 bucks ain't gonna be worth my time to miss work. Obviously it wasn't worth it for the upteen people on the plane either because there was zeros volunteers. I would not have stepped off for 800. 1600 maybe so. Don't you think all of this could have been avoided? Offer better incentives, drive the crew the few hours to their destination, put em on a private flight, buy em tickets on another carrier. All of those choices to solve their staffing issue and they choose to screw over 4 paying customers and assaulting 1 of em in the process. But hey, we just had to "reaccomdate" a few passengers that bought a seat on our plane. What's the big deal?

I'm not sure buying a seat on a plane to get home for work is playing a stupid game but what do I know.

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[Feesherman]

I mean why is United reimbursing everyone on that flight? If it's all that dudes fault and United just did what had to be done, why are they apologizing to the man that was assaulted and why are they giving every passenger their money back?

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[mriguy]

I would have took $800, hotel room, partied on Rush Street and flew home next day.

Bur I'm a deginerate.

That dude hit the Lotto

[bjhooper82]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

I can tell you 800 bucks ain't gonna be worth my time to miss work. Obviously it wasn't worth it for the upteen people on the plane either because there was zeros volunteers. I would not have stepped off for 800. 1600 maybe so. Don't you think all of this could have been avoided? Offer better incentives, drive the crew the few hours to their destination, put em on a private flight, buy em tickets on another carrier. All of those choices to solve their staffing issue and they choose to screw over 4 paying customers and assaulting 1 of em in the process. But hey, we just had to "reaccomdate" a few passengers that bought a seat on our plane. What's the big deal?

I'm not sure buying a seat on a plane to get home for work is playing a stupid game but what do I know.

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By saying "play a stupid game" I was referring to the guy getting so pissed about it that he was willing to get physical. Sure, there were way better and more sensible options, but like I said, I personally would never have let it get to that point. I would have given them a piece of my mind verbally but gotten off the plane with a free room and some cash in hand. I know $800 isn't a ton of money but it would have been enough for me to feel a little better about it.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

I know $800 isn't a ton of money but it would have been enough for me to feel a little better about it.

That's part of the point I'm trying to make. That plane was booked full and not 1 single paying customer volunteerd to take 800. That means you would have been the only volunteer when they were looking for 4. Up the ante, get 4 volunteers, no assaults and no video and no negativity

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[Feesherman]

Yup, just like I said.


http://finance.yahoo.com/m/8ff53eab-...noz%3a-we.html


And once again for W.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/united-ai...201302721.html


From the article that he won't read:


“You can’t remove, under the current rules, a passenger once they’re seated on the aircraft. You can deny them entry if you’re overbooked, but once they’re on the aircraft, it’s a completely different set of rules.”




“If they’re not dressed appropriately, if they have certain communicable diseases, if they’re drunk, if they’re violent, you can remove them,” he said. “If they don’t turn off their cell phone when they’re supposed to, you can remove them. If they won’t obey lawful instructions from a crew member, you can remove them. But telling someone, ‘Hey, we’ve overbooked, get off the plane,’ that wouldn’t be a lawful instruction.”

["W"]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

Yup, just like I said.


http://finance.yahoo.com/m/8ff53eab-...noz%3a-we.html


And once again for W.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/united-ai...201302721.html


From the article that he won't read:


?You can?t remove, under the current rules, a passenger once they?re seated on the aircraft. You can deny them entry if you?re overbooked, but once they?re on the aircraft, it?s a completely different set of rules.?




?If they?re not dressed appropriately, if they have certain communicable diseases, if they?re drunk, if they?re violent, you can remove them,? he said. ?If they don?t turn off their cell phone when they?re supposed to, you can remove them. If they won?t obey lawful instructions from a crew member, you can remove them. But telling someone, ?Hey, we?ve overbooked, get off the plane,? that wouldn?t be a lawful instruction.?

He did not OBEY rules " damn how narrow minded are you ?"
Rules i posted he did not obey them when told he would have to leave ! It's states ln the rules you can board the plane !

Dude got his azz kicked for not listing to CPD plain and simple !

Same reason why people get shot by PD
Cop says move or leave just do it and work details out later or get that azz beat !

Once it went to CPD it was out of United hands

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by "W"

He did not OBEY rules " damn how narrow minded are you ?"

That's the definition of irony folks. BTW, it wasn't CPD that drug him off the plane. I guess if LCPD showed up every morning and told you to get off the lake you would obey because the gestapo knows best, your rights and freedom be damned. Enjoy your day comrade

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["W"]

Let me put it in real world you can understand
I'll put it as me the owner

Guy pays for a fishing when he gets on board my boat I realize I double booked my boat and another group showes up
So I tell the guy look man
I'm going to refund you your $600 back plus I'm going to put you up in a lodge for free and pay for all your meals
I really apologize for the inconvenience

Then he refuses to get out of my boat
I ask and plead for 20 mins then I get marina division to handle it .

Now they drag him out and rough him up and it gets videod of that 7 secs and goes viral . Well as the owner of company yes I have to uphold a image and apologize to the public for what happened !

But in reality I did everything I could to not make it go that route !

You understand now ?

[Feesherman]

LOL yeah that's the same thing. So anyway, I'd give your rants a little more thought if you knew what you were talking about but you don't even know who drug the man off the plane. Good day Comrade!!

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by "W"

Let me put it in real world you can understand
I'll put it as me the owner

Guy pays for a fishing when he gets on board my boat I realize I double booked my boat and another group showes up
So I tell the guy look man
I'm going to refund you your $600 back plus I'm going to put you up in a lodge for free and pay for all your meals
I really apologize for the inconvenience

Then he refuses to get out of my boat
I ask and plead for 20 mins then I get marina division to handle it .

Now they drag him out and rough him up and it gets videod of that 7 secs and goes viral . Well as the owner of company yes I have to uphold a image and apologize to the public for what happened !

But in reality I did everything I could to not make it go that route !

You understand now ?

I see your point, but let me change a couple things.

Instead of booking 2 clients and taking their money up front, change one client to family and leave the other a client. The client pays you up front for a guaranteed spot on your boat. He's made reservations and paid and has his fishing "ticket" in hand and is already seated on your boat with all his gear.

Now, the other client is "Family" being that United employees can be represented as such in a business perspective. You messed up and forgot about your family when you sold that fishing trip to the client who has fully paid up front. Instead of honoring your client's time and money, you offer them X amount of money/trip/whatever. They refuse. They've paid. As a company, your clientele should come first. But, in this case, you call the marina police and have them aggressively drag your client off the boat to make room for your family so you can take them fishing. That doesn't sound like much of a good PR move. Your business will gain a reputation as putting family over the service it provides to the masses with violent tendencies.

United should not have over sold their seats and taken into account they needed 4 seats left for crew. This man did nothing wrong at all, and should have never been forced to give up a seat when United is at fault for overselling their seats.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

I see your point, but let me change a couple things.

Instead of booking 2 clients and taking their money up front, change one client to family and leave the other a client. The client pays you up front for a guaranteed spot on your boat. He's made reservations and paid and has his fishing "ticket" in hand and is already seated on your boat with all his gear.

Now, the other client is "Family" being that United employees can be represented as such in a business perspective. You messed up and forgot about your family when you sold that fishing trip to the client who has fully paid up front. Instead of honoring your client's time and money, you offer them X amount of money/trip/whatever. They refuse. They've paid. As a company, your clientele should come first. But, in this case, you call the marina police and have them aggressively drag your client off the boat to make room for your family so you can take them fishing. That doesn't sound like much of a good PR move. Your business will gain a reputation as putting family over the service it provides to the masses with violent tendencies.

United should not have over sold their seats and taken into account they needed 4 seats left for crew. This man did nothing wrong at all, and should have never been forced to give up a seat when United is at fault for overselling their seats.

Forget it. W is either a democrat or one of those that is never wrong even when proven to be wrong. Or he's both.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Feesherman

Forget it. W is either a democrat or one of those that is never wrong even when proven to be wrong. Or he's both.

I Promise I'm far from Democrat

But I am a business owner and know that if you have to have law remove someone you done all you could do !

Again you saw a 15 sec video to make your conclusion !

Where is the other hour before ?

Dude just had to obey the officers and leave and again that's how people get shot and wonder why !

I'm not saying guy can't get pissed and raise hell because I would of but when turned over to PD it's time to listen or get dealt with

[mcjaredsandwich]

Originally Posted by "W"

I Promise I'm far from Democrat

But I am a business owner and know that if you have to have law remove someone you done all you could do !

Again you saw a 15 sec video to make your conclusion !

Where is the other hour before ?

Dude just had to obey the officers and leave and again that's how people get shot and wonder why !

I'm not saying guy can't get pissed and raise hell because I would of but when turned over to PD it's time to listen or get dealt with

United should have never taken it to the point where police were needed. If no one wanted to give up a spot they've paid for and where their belongings are, united should have bit the bullet and either put those four employees in a van or car or different flight.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by "W"

Again you saw a 15 sec video to make your conclusion !

No but you obviously did.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by mcjaredsandwich

United should have never taken it to the point where police were needed. If no one wanted to give up a spot they've paid for and where their belongings are, united should have bit the bullet and either put those four employees in a van or car or different flight.

Or offer decent incentives.

[Pat Babaz]

United was morally wrong, BUT the question is were they legally wrong? The link Feesh posted seemed to indicate that United was legally wrong because the dude had already boarded the plane. This was only one lawyer's opinion though.


I'd like to see how the actual law reads concerning when and under what circumstances people can be bumped off of flights AFTER they have boarded.

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by Pat Babaz

United was morally wrong, BUT the question is were they legally wrong? The link Feesh posted seemed to indicate that United was legally wrong because the dude had already boarded the plane. This was only one lawyer's opinion though.


I'd like to see how the actual law reads concerning when and under what circumstances people can be bumped off of flights AFTER they have boarded.

Like I said, once on the plane the rules have changed and it's out of local PD's jurisdiction. It becomes Federal, as in TSA level at that point. Why you think United blamed the man at first and is now bending over backwards so far as to refund everyone on the plane. They realized what they did was illegal and is now gotten themselves in hot water.

[Pat Babaz]

I'd have been pissed, raised hell and refused to leave right up till the time the cops arrived with a gun and taser on their hips... then I would have complied, better to fight it out in the court than roll in the aisles with the police. That's a fight you can't win

[Feesherman]

Originally Posted by Pat Babaz

United was morally wrong, BUT the question is were they legally wrong? The link Feesh posted seemed to indicate that United was legally wrong because the dude had already boarded the plane. This was only one lawyer's opinion though.


I'd like to see how the actual law reads concerning when and under what circumstances people can be bumped off of flights AFTER they have boarded.

Like I said, once on the plane the rules have changed and it's out of local PD's jurisdiction. It becomes Federal, as in TSA level at that point. Why you think United blamed the man at first and is now bending over backwards so far as to refund everyone on the plane. The realized what they did was illegal and is now gotten themselves in hot water.