how do they get away with this?

[MathGeek]

I hate to see evil statists like Cjleger pervert the Constitution.

The framers did not intend individual rights to be forfeited as soon as the individual is asking for payment for their services.

Further, the framers would most assuredly be appalled at the lie that the Constitution demands handicapped ramps be built to access buildings 20 ft high at great expense to the proprietor to serve customers who exist in theory but who very rarely ever show up in person spending money and requiring such accomodations.

[Cjleger337]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

I hate to see evil statists like Cjleger pervert the Constitution.

The framers did not intend individual rights to be forfeited as soon as the individual is asking for payment for their services.

Further, the framers would most assuredly be appalled at the lie that the Constitution demands handicapped ramps be built to access buildings 20 ft high at great expense to the proprietor to serve customers who exist in theory but who very rarely ever show up in person spending money and requiring such accommodations.

The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 was passed in the House and Senate and signed by GW Bush Sr.... not once has the Supreme Court ruled that the ADA was unconstitutional. Maybe if someone believes it is, they should file suit in court and work its way up to the Supreme Court for a ruling. Until someone does that, I dont think anyone has room to armchair a bill that legally became law and I think the same is true for anyone who has the belief that something is unconstitutional.

Edit: There are countless cases filed by the Paralyzed Veterans of America on behalf of handicap veterans under the ADA who could not gain access to establishments they wanted to frequent. Should they not have done this? Using your theory, they were selfish individuals who were only out to force businesses to spend more money on these theoretical patrons as you describe them...which I take issue with because there is no concrete evidence that you can provide to the show the amount of handicap people who visit Grand Isle and are otherwise inconvenience by the lack of accessibility.. just because youre handicap doesnt mean your life has ended or that you cant enjoy the same things that other people enjoy.


But you know what, the founding fathers arent around to clarify some of the open ended questions we have regarding the application of the Constitution. So all we have left is to trust in the system that they created because if we dont, then what do we have?

[southern151]

Originally Posted by Cjleger337

The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 was passed in the House and Senate and signed by GW Bush Sr.... not once has the Supreme Court ruled that the ADA was unconstitutional. Maybe if someone believes it is, they should file suit in court and work its way up to the Supreme Court for a ruling. Until someone does that, I dont think anyone has room to armchair a bill that legally became law and I think the same is true for anyone who has the belief that something is unconstitutional.

Edit: There are countless cases filed by the Paralyzed Veterans of America on behalf of handicap veterans under the ADA who could not gain access to establishments they wanted to frequent. Should they not have done this? Using your theory, they were selfish individuals who were only out to force businesses to spend more money on these theoretical patrons as you describe them...which I take issue with because there is no concrete evidence that you can provide to the show the amount of handicap people who visit Grand Isle and are otherwise inconvenience by the lack of accessibility.. just because youre handicap doesnt mean your life has ended or that you cant enjoy the same things that other people enjoy.


But you know what, the founding fathers arent around to clarify some of the open ended questions we have regarding the application of the Constitution. So all we have left is to trust in the system that they created because if we dont, then what do we have?

My understanding is that if something is not listed specifically in the Constitution, it's meant to be handled at the state level. But, the ADA is a federal racket that is killing a lot of businesses.

Here's what I see when I think of the ADA... http://www.facesoflawsuitabuse.org/2...ches-too-high/

[Cjleger337]

Originally Posted by southern151

My understanding is that if something is not listed specifically in the Constitution, it's meant to be handled at the state level. But, the ADA is a federal racket that is killing a lot of businesses.

Here's what I see when I think of the ADA... http://www.facesoflawsuitabuse.org/2...ches-too-high/

Yes, left to the states until it is brought before a judge and elevated to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court refers to the Constitution and interprets it way better than you or I can beceause its literally all they do, then decide on a ruling as to whether or not it is Constitutional. Thats a common myth about ADA, there are many references on the Internet that put myths like "its killing a lot of businesses."

Youd rather think of those instances instead of the good that it has brought into peoples lives but thats ok.. its common for humans to only want to see evidence that supports their opinions. Think of this instead though:

I wont detail all cases but if youre interested to know more about them Google it.

Bates V. UPS
Michigan Paralyzed Veterans V. The University of Michigan
Paralyzed Veterans of America v. Ellerbe Becket
Any lawsuits regarding a service animal and a veteran V. a company