how do they get away with this?

[Cjleger337]

Originally Posted by duckman1911

BTW you and yours is used in general and not a personal attack on anyone.
Things to ponder.
A gay person can refuse to do business with a Christian baker and nothing happens. Flip the coin and it's a lawsuit.
A muslim can refuse to do business with a Christian store and nothing happens. Flip the coin and it's a lawsuit.
Walmart won't let me carry my gun even though I am breaking no laws. Is it their right? Yes. Should it be their right? Yes. By exercising their right they also insure that Krogers gets my money not Walmart.
My question is when or where does it stop? If you are traveling and break down at our shop at closing time on Friday should I be required to stay after work and fix your car so your family doesn't have to sleep in it all weekend? If I don't fix your car and something happens to you should I be held liable?
Everyone on here can say Duckman is an azzhole and he won't get my money and I think that is perfect but shouldn't a business be able to do the same?

Those examples you cited are a personal entity choosing not to do business with a business. You as a Christian are free to choose not to do business with a gay, Muslim, or any other store that doesnt line up with your beliefs. Turn that around (business not choosing to do business with an individual, and its grounds for discrimination based on the US Constitution.

As far as having to fix someones car... I feel like youre grasping for straws at that one. As long as you chose not to fix their car because of the religion they practice, color, or nationality, then its completely your choice because your company has made their own business hours.

Businesses are not afforded the same rights as individuals.. because their sole purpose is to serve the general public. No exclusions thereof, the general public is the general public. In your example, you are in business to fix cars. Fixing cars for anyone except a certain color or religion etc of people is unconstitutional. Do you get where Im going with this?

Just like my 78 year old grandpa. Hes a JOP. He was elected by the people to confirm that two people are eligible by the federal definition of marriage and the federal definition of marriage only otherwise interjecting his own personal beliefs would be a violation of separation of church and state which we have in a secular society. He had to marry a gay couple... he called us and he had a major issue with it and he considered resigning, but he loves his job its what keeps him busy in retirement so he had to recognize that the legal definition of a state sponsored marriage was defined by the Supreme Court by way of the Constitution so he sucked it up and did the ceremony based on the states definition of marriage.. if my 78 year old grandpa gets it I am having a hard time wondering why so many others dont. Its not the right of the business owner or any public official to interject their own beliefs in their job description. Im not saying this in a spiteful way, Im simply stating that no one is asking anyone to agree with someone elses lifestyle or even support it! all thats being asked is to perform the job you promised to do for the people. If you opened a business to fix cars, fix cars. Their personal lives and moral codes shouldnt concern you if youre in business to fix cars.


Most importantly Im glad we can have a civil back and forth on differing opinions, its not often you find that anymore.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Cjleger337

Those examples you cited are a personal entity choosing not to do business with a business. You as a Christian are free to choose not to do business with a gay, Muslim, or any other store that doesnt line up with your beliefs. Turn that around (business not choosing to do business with an individual, and its grounds for discrimination based on the US Constitution.

As far as having to fix someones car... I feel like youre grasping for straws at that one. As long as you chose not to fix their car because of the religion they practice, color, or nationality, then its completely your choice because your company has made their own business hours.

Businesses are not afforded the same rights as individuals.. because their sole purpose is to serve the general public. No exclusions thereof, the general public is the general public. In your example, you are in business to fix cars. Fixing cars for anyone except a certain color or religion etc of people is unconstitutional. Do you get where Im going with this?

Just like my 78 year old grandpa. Hes a JOP. He was elected by the people to confirm that two people are eligible by the federal definition of marriage and the federal definition of marriage only otherwise interjecting his own personal beliefs would be a violation of separation of church and state which we have in a secular society. He had to marry a gay couple... he called us and he had a major issue with it and he considered resigning, but he loves his job its what keeps him busy in retirement so he had to recognize that the legal definition of a state sponsored marriage was defined by the Supreme Court by way of the Constitution so he sucked it up and did the ceremony based on the states definition of marriage.. if my 78 year old grandpa gets it I am having a hard time wondering why so many others dont. Its not the right of the business owner or any public official to interject their own beliefs in their job description. Im not saying this in a spiteful way, Im simply stating that no one is asking anyone to agree with someone elses lifestyle or even support it! all thats being asked is to perform the job you promised to do for the people. If you opened a business to fix cars, fix cars. Their personal lives and moral codes shouldnt concern you if youre in business to fix cars.


Most importantly Im glad we can have a civil back and forth on differing opinions, its not often you find that anymore.

I understand what you are saying I just disagree. I made no promises to serve the public. I work on people's cars but only if I choose to do so. The choice should be mine to make. I should be able to refuse service for any reason I want. Again I'm not saying it's a good business decision but it should be my decision to make. I don't need the government to dictate what I work on. It's no different than the government dictating what days we have to work. I'll be closed any day I want to be. You have the right to think I'm an azzhole and not do business with me and I think a business should have the exact same right. BTW we do have several gay customers and some handicapped customers. I don't think turning people away is a good business choice but it should be the owners choice to make.