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bgizzle 09-22-2014 05:56 PM

2nd crop rice manipulation
 
If a farmer harvested 1st crop and drained the field afterwards.... If you manipulate it then flood the second crop to hunt over it, is it considered baiting? The second crop isn't really heading but is starting to. Most of it(65%) is mostly just green chutes still. He pulled the water off of it to save it for crawfish and will be putting water back on it and his plans are to buffalo it for big duck . Just curious to see if it would be considered baiting if he doesn't harvest the second crop bc he is leaving it for crawfish. Asking for a friend. I know there's a few ppl who know a good bit about this kinda stuff. And GO!


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Top Dawg 09-22-2014 06:23 PM

If the crop is harvestable it would be baiting if he manipulates it. If he floods the standing rice you can hunt it as long as u don't knock it down. But u can let it head and fall in. If the crop is a loss then there are procedure to manage the lost crop and I'm not sure of how that works. I've hunted headed out rice for crawfish and it's unreal. Just gotta flood it to the tops of the rice.

AubreyLaHaye458 09-22-2014 06:53 PM

I've always understood that any "natural farming practice" was legal. Very vague and I've never discussed it with any law dawgs or anything so i don't know. But what we usually do is either shred or plow ponds right before we flood.

The way I see it, which is probably irrelevant, as long as the crop is volunteer I don't see how it could be considered baiting. Now if the farmer went and fertilized and whatnot to produce the second crop but it never got harvested that would be a different story.


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Dink 09-22-2014 06:58 PM

You can "accodentally" knock it down by walking in it.

Paulox86 09-22-2014 07:00 PM

As long as it is a planted crop you can manipulate it in any way you see fit and legally hunt over it.

bgizzle 09-22-2014 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Paulox86 (Post 721681)
As long as it is a planted crop you can manipulate it in any way you see fit and legally hunt over it.

Can't say I agree. You cannot plant rice(1st crop)
Then just manipulate it any way you please. It's gotta grow it's natural vegatative life cycle as per LDWF or be harvested before manipulation. This has been harvested but now is just growing back basically wild if you ask me. Bc what was planted has been harvested. I may have unserstood it wrong when I asked a few yrs back. Idk. Thx for input


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all star rod 09-22-2014 07:49 PM

If you harvest your 1st crop you are fine to do what ever you want with your 2nd crop. The GW will not bother you.

jlincecum 09-22-2014 08:10 PM

As long as it is a done in the farming process which prepping for his crawfish crop would be then it is fine. It's all in interpretation, if you can convince the GW that it was done for that and not just to smash crops to hunt over.

SULPHITE 09-22-2014 08:18 PM

Hell I'd throw in some sweet taters and molasses for good measure...:D

Paulox86 09-22-2014 08:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bgizzle (Post 721682)
Can't say I agree. You cannot plant rice(1st crop)
Then just manipulate it any way you please. It's gotta grow it's natural vegatative life cycle as per LDWF or be harvested before manipulation. This has been harvested but now is just growing back basically wild if you ask me. Bc what was planted has been harvested. I may have unserstood it wrong when I asked a few yrs back. Idk. Thx for input


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People plant for doves every year and hunt it with no harvest...so hunting ducks over millet is illegal too? Back to my original post.

Bluechip 09-22-2014 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SULPHITE (Post 721692)
Hell I'd throw in some sweet taters and molasses for good measure...:D

Hell yes!!! Help it stick lol...

meaux fishing 09-22-2014 08:27 PM

http://www.fws.gov/le/waterfowl-hunt...d-baiting.html

meaux fishing 09-22-2014 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SULPHITE (Post 721692)
Hell I'd throw in some sweet taters and molasses for good measure...:D

We sink our potatoes in burlap sacks all around the blind, and I started brushing with sugar cane instead of roseaus

Top Dawg 09-22-2014 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulox86 (Post 721693)
People plant for doves every year and hunt it with no harvest...so hunting ducks over millet is illegal too? Back to my original post.

Planting/baiting for doves and waterfowl are totally different laws.

H2OFwlKlr 09-22-2014 09:41 PM

Everything is good, you just have to buffalo it before it heads out.

Once it heads out, you are not suppose to manipulate it, ie: knock the heads of rice down in the water, making it easier for the ducks to eat.

bgizzle 09-22-2014 11:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paulox86 (Post 721693)
People plant for doves every year and hunt it with no harvest...so hunting ducks over millet is illegal too? Back to my original post.

Doves and ducks are a totally different ball game. Different rules and regs


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swamp snorkler 09-23-2014 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 721698)
We sink our potatoes in burlap sacks all around the blind, and I started brushing with sugar cane instead of roseaus


Just as soon go to the local pecan peeler and throw them shells away in the pond too. Why send it to the landfill?

jlincecum 09-23-2014 06:48 AM

pecan shells??? haven't heard that one

swamp snorkler 09-23-2014 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jlincecum (Post 721746)
pecan shells??? haven't heard that one


Oh yeah, they have to be crushed really well, don't ask me how I know.

bbrown 09-23-2014 08:19 AM

4 years ago (in NE LA) we had a huge storm that flooded the majority of our wheat beans (late beans). The entire crop was lost right before harvest. We trapped the majority of water for duck season. We had a game warden come in and explain what would be manipulating and what would not be manipulating. He explained that as long as we took the same path in and same path out and did not INTENTIONALLY change the crop around the blind that we would be good. He recommended that we drag decoy bags by hand (once we got to the blind) and try not to drive the ATV around the blind.


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