Concealed Weapon Permit

[duckman1911]

I will say that although I don't completely agree with all of CC's points I do believe his team is very well trained. I will not talk about anything him and I have talked about but his team is very well trained and on the same page at all times.
I disagree with the cut and dry "we have the guns not you don't" policy. I see were ccp holders could help in a bad situation but I understand hi concern will skill levels of ccp holders. I have witnessed people get a ccp that are just scarey. I think a church clear to carry qualification would be a good thing but it's not my church and not my choice. I'm a small town guy. People that don't belong stand out. By "don't belong" I don't mean we hate new people. Just that new faces are easily picked out from the group.

[duckman1911]

I see no wrong in having to earn your ability to carry in church but I think the chance to earn it should be offered.

[duckman1911]

Although bubba I agree that no matter how much you train or how good you are doesn't mean you live. Helps your odds but isn't a garuntee.

[evidrine]

I don't know man, if I had it on my mind to shoot people I think the first person I would take out would be anyone who could shoot me back. I know these guys aren't the brightest, but seems like a reasonable assumption. I would much rather no one know that I am carrying.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by evidrine

I don't know man, if I had it on my mind to shoot people I think the first person I would take out would be anyone who could shoot me back. I know these guys aren't the brightest, but seems like a reasonable assumption. I would much rather no one know that I am carrying.

And you have a valid point. Can't argue that. CC is a very good thing but stats show that after the initial CC allowed crime drop it levels off. CC stops crime in progess but does little to prevent it. By the time bad guy finds out you have a gun stuff is getting bad fast. I'm not saying OC prevents crime either but the odds are better it will keep me from being involved in said crime. If I get to walk out of the door what happens after is not my concern. I'll call 911 from my truck if need be.

[evidrine]

Also, I'm in my early thirties. Hardly a youngster anymore. Anyways.

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by evidrine

Also, I'm in my early thirties. Hardly a youngster anymore. Anyways.

Wouldn't say you're a youngster. I'll be 40 next week. Have run about 15, 000 rnds through mu primary comp gun. Another 5/10 k through my other handguns. If ypu wana add in rifle play and hunting we gota be getting close to the 100k mark.

[evidrine]

Well I was accused of being a "hard headed youngster" a little while ago. Just thought I should clear things up.

[evidrine]

I wish I could still shoot that much. With the price of ammo now I have to be careful or i will go broke. It's easy to get carried away though.

[Renegade]

I wonder what God thinks about a security team with guns in the church.

If a pastor feels the need to have armed security, what does that say about his relationship with God (or lack thereof)?

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Renegade

I wonder what God thinks about a security team with guns in the church.

If a pastor feels the need to have armed security, what does that say about his relationship with God (or lack thereof)?

Actually I believe God would be all for it. There are many references in the bible about a shepherd protecting his flock.

[CajunChristian]

Originally Posted by Renegade

I wonder what God thinks about a security team with guns in the church.

If a pastor feels the need to have armed security, what does that say about his relationship with God (or lack thereof)?

Matthew 10:22
Nehemiah 4:9

It says that, although he is a man of God, he cannot control evil.
[SIZE=3]Because we live in a real world in which he recognizes the dangers that are present. To do otherwise is to stick our heads in the sand and ignore an ever-present danger among us[/SIZE]

Vidrine and Duck, I didn't intend to insult you calling you youngsters. To me, you are youngsters, I did my first gig with the Sheriff's Office in 1969, at the age of 16. COMPARED to my old butt, you are youngsters, my youngest daughter is 40, to me, she is still a youngster. It is meant as an endearing term, not an insult.

On a lighter note, let me invite you both to our show Saturday night. I am one of the owners of VFA, Vengeance Fighting Alliance. We promote MMA fights. Saturday at 7 pm in the Rosa Hart Theater at the LC Civic Center, we have 12 bouts. I'll get you comp tickets to come and enjoy the show just so I can meet you. I won't be on the computer much from now till Sunday, busy erecting the cage and getting everything ready for the show. Take a look www.vfamma.com
D
Check out some of our last fights on facebook.

[bjhooper82]

Originally Posted by Renegade

I wonder what God thinks about a security team with guns in the church.

If a pastor feels the need to have armed security, what does that say about his relationship with God (or lack thereof)?

My goodness. That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Bad things happen to good people sometimes my friend. Evil is everywhere is this screwed up world we live in.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by bjhooper82

My goodness. That has to be one of the dumbest things I've ever read. Bad things happen to good people sometimes my friend. Evil is everywhere is this screwed up world we live in.

Your response and others show a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity and how Christians are to respond to evil in the world.

10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6: 10 - 17 KJV

There's nothing in those verses about using guns to "protect" yourselves. This battle between good and evil is spiritual. You don't fight spirits with guns.

38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5: 38 - 39 KJV

That one may be difficult to swallow, but to solidify the principle.

31And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. 34And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mark 8: 31 - 35 KJV

True Christians are not in the business of preserving their life on earth, but only in doing God's will. A pastor should know that.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Matthew 7: 15 - 22

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by Renegade

Your response and others show a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity and how Christians are to respond to evil in the world.

10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6: 10 - 17 KJV

There's nothing in those verses about using guns to "protect" yourselves. This battle between good and evil is spiritual. You don't fight spirits with guns.

38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5: 38 - 39 KJV

That one may be difficult to swallow, but to solidify the principle.

31And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. 34And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mark 8: 31 - 35 KJV

True Christians are not in the business of preserving their life on earth, but only in doing God's will. A pastor should know that.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Matthew 7: 15 - 22

Could one also argue that not defending yourself in the face of death would be suicide?

[Spunt Drag]

Originally Posted by Renegade

Your response and others show a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity and how Christians are to respond to evil in the world.

10Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

Ephesians 6: 10 - 17 KJV

There's nothing in those verses about using guns to "protect" yourselves. This battle between good and evil is spiritual. You don't fight spirits with guns.

38Ye have heard that it hath been said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth: 39But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Matthew 5: 38 - 39 KJV

That one may be difficult to swallow, but to solidify the principle.

31And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. 32And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. 33But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. 34And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. 35For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it.

Mark 8: 31 - 35 KJV

True Christians are not in the business of preserving their life on earth, but only in doing God's will. A pastor should know that.

15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


Matthew 7: 15 - 22

Lmao

[duckman1911]

Originally Posted by evidrine

I wish I could still shoot that much. With the price of ammo now I have to be careful or i will go broke. It's easy to get carried away though.

Yes it can get pricey in a hurry. Reloading will help with the cost if you want to shoot a lot. I even started casting my own bullets about 5 years ago. Only use those for practice though. It's extra work but I enjoy it. Something to do during those cold rainy months.

[capt coonassty]

If this thread hasn't derailed enough times. I wonder if the Westboro Baptist Church has armed security?

[Matt G]

Originally Posted by capt coonassty

If this thread hasn't derailed enough times. I wonder if the Westboro Baptist Church has armed security?

I commend Hooper for making possibly the most epic Saltycajun thread of 2015. Bravo sir! You should be proud.

Capt Coon, I seriously doubt they do. That's their whole gimmick. Come to a town and flame a solemn event such as a funeral and hope someone attempts to harm them, then sue the city for millions for failing to adequately protect them. If they had their own security, that would be defeating their purpose.

Since we discussed holsters, Church Security Teams, conceal carry vs. open carry, the legalities of carrying at a church and on private property, the inadequacies of the required firearms training, mega churches vs. small town churches, MMA, and WBC; that only leaves one question left............... 9mm or 45?

[seachaser250]

Originally Posted by Matt G

I commend Hooper for making possibly the most epic Saltycajun thread of 2015. Bravo sir! You should be proud.

Capt Coon, I seriously doubt they do. That's their whole gimmick. Come to a town and flame a solemn event such as a funeral and hope someone attempts to harm them, then sue the city for millions for failing to adequately protect them. If they had their own security, that would be defeating their purpose.

Since we discussed holsters, Church Security Teams, conceal carry vs. open carry, the legalities of carrying at a church and on private property, the inadequacies of the required firearms training, mega churches vs. small town churches, MMA, and WBC; that only leaves one question left............... 9mm or 45?

Do the church security teams have prepared ditch bags? Do they also maintain supplies(water, non-perishables...etc) for a long term "situation"?