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Andy C · #1 08-19-2013, 09:59 PM

One last point I will make. Wiers or no Wiers, the marsh is hurting from all the leaving they have done up north and in La. To keep people safe from floods!!!! Floods are the only way you can get fresh water/dirt to keep marshs alive!!!! But there's but there's nothing anyone can do about that.... it's saving them and killing the marsh in all of s La.!!!

bgizzle · #2 08-19-2013, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Andy C

One last point I will make. Wiers or no Wiers, the marsh is hurting from all the leaving they have done up north and in La. To keep people safe from floods!!!! Floods are the only way you can get fresh water/dirt to keep marshs alive!!!! But there's but there's nothing anyone can do about that.... it's saving them and killing the marsh in all of s La.!!!

Pick your poison kinda thing huh? That's good info. Never thought of it that way

Andy C · #3 08-19-2013, 10:32 PM

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Pick your poison kinda thing huh? That's good info. Never thought of it that way

Study it when i was at school college there and that's what it comes down to!!! Cause someone wants to build a house on the "river" and get it washed away. And gripe about it till gov. Dose something about it!!! Look at the barrier islands ! Not just in La. But everwhere the have Tryed controling flood water, they dang near gone!! Without them the marsh dies wiers or not!!!!

Duck Butter · #4 08-20-2013, 08:41 AM

If people don't believe that the land in red is not there, then we can't even have this conversation anymore, may as well let the wiers go, kill it all, we may as well have some good fishing for a few more years amiritie

You guys who hunt Sabine are going to honestly say that land has NOT been decreasing since you have been hunting back there?

"W" · #5 08-20-2013, 08:56 AM

Tell me more about this lost marsh land in the ship channel?? Lmao

Duck Butter · #6 08-20-2013, 09:02 AM

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Tell me more about this lost marsh land in the ship channel?? Lmao

Well it actually previously was land if you look that is taking into account from 1932. There was NO ship channel there in 1932, there was LAND. So, that land is gone, it may be a little misleading, but its true, that land is not there anymore therefore the reason its red.

I have a state map from 1872 right here on my desk and wish I could link that. Looked a LOT different back then

noodle creek · #7 08-20-2013, 09:07 AM

I'm not for or against weirs, but as far as Sabine Refuge is concerned, that land loss was pretty much all from Rita. Weirs or no weirs, that land is lost regardless. I also believe that some of the vegetation is starting to come back, just like it has for the past hundreds of hurricanes.

I also have a hard time believing that the east side of Sabine Lake is less prone to saltwater intrusion. There is no way there is a major difference in salinity on the southeastern bank of Sabine Lake than there is on the southeastern bank of Big Lake.

To me, it seems that it's a lose lose situation. Put up weirs and keep mother nature from running her course but save the marsh, or no weirs and let mother nature have her way but maybe lose some marsh.

Duck Butter · #8 08-20-2013, 09:17 AM

I got this straight off Google Earth from May of this year (2013). Just imagine that black water as being red and you have the same thing
I drew in those little yellow things for reference

Duck Butter · #9 08-20-2013, 09:26 AM

Big Lake 1872

Duck Butter · #10 08-20-2013, 10:00 AM

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I'm not for or against weirs, but as far as Sabine Refuge is concerned, that land loss was pretty much all from Rita. Weirs or no weirs, that land is lost regardless. I also believe that some of the vegetation is starting to come back, just like it has for the past hundreds of hurricanes.

I also have a hard time believing that the east side of Sabine Lake is less prone to saltwater intrusion. There is no way there is a major difference in salinity on the southeastern bank of Sabine Lake than there is on the southeastern bank of Big Lake.

To me, it seems that it's a lose lose situation. Put up weirs and keep mother nature from running her course but save the marsh, or no weirs and let mother nature have her way but maybe lose some marsh.

We messed with Mother Nature when we put in the ship channel, the levees along the MS River, etc. Now we are paying for it. But, without the ship channel what would the Lake Charles really be? Shipping is a boom to that economy, and also SE La the same argument could be made I guess. There are going to be some hard decisions made and not everyone is going to be happy with them

Wish there was a way to do it and make everyone happy, but once you get accustomed to doing something for so long (like catching trout on the lake), its hard to go back.

SULPHITE · #11 08-20-2013, 10:29 AM

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We messed with Mother Nature when we put in the ship channel, the levees along the MS River, etc. Now we are paying for it. But, without the ship channel what would the Lake Charles really be? Shipping is a boom to that economy, and also SE La the same argument could be made I guess. There are going to be some hard decisions made and not everyone is going to be happy with them

Wish there was a way to do it and make everyone happy, but once you get accustomed to doing something for so long (like catching trout on the lake), its hard to go back.

Agreed 100%

kb7722 · #12 08-20-2013, 11:36 AM

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We messed with Mother Nature when we put in the ship channel, the levees along the MS River, etc. Now we are paying for it. But, without the ship channel what would the Lake Charles really be? Shipping is a boom to that economy, and also SE La the same argument could be made I guess. There are going to be some hard decisions made and not everyone is going to be happy with them

Wish there was a way to do it and make everyone happy, but once you get accustomed to doing something for so long (like catching trout on the lake), its hard to go back.

Well put! Can we end this thread now?

Duck Butter · #13 08-20-2013, 12:22 PM

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Well put! Can we end this thread now?

It will come up every year by W

MathGeek · #14 08-20-2013, 01:02 PM

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It will come up every year by W

Scientists and professionals should not tire or express frustrations when presented with opportunities to engage with the public. Public misperceptions exist because the experience of the general public is much different than the experiences of professionals, scientists, and policy makers.

Publishing papers and reports and hobnobbing with policy makers may impact the world of the common man, but does little to educate him regarding "why"? Many citizens are left wondering and speculating regarding the relative importance of money, influence, science, and power in shaping policy that effects them.

For every "W" who bothers to post and challenge for better answers, there are ten others reading the thread and possibly dozens of others who harbor similar sentiments without bothering much follow-up. The "new media" goes beyond Fox news, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. It is played out on twitter, blogs, discussion forums, Wikipedia, etc. every day. And even on SaltyCajun.

The saltwater intrusion page at wikipedia is pretty good, but can be improved. Improving the Calcasieu Lake wikipedia page would be warmly welcomed, and could certainly have a section for the importance of the weirs in reducing saltwater intrusion into the marsh. Then in the future, you could simply cite that material.

Andy C · #15 08-20-2013, 10:00 PM

Wiers or no wiers without flooding up north the marsh dies!! Math them wiers on the west side of biglake have been there for year's, not sure the last time they were open or closed but do know lastyear they all got fixed. And not saying the map/maps ya'll are showing are not right but if so my house is under water, and it's been there since 1878!!! Not the same house but the land.

adamsfence · #16 08-21-2013, 12:25 AM

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Wiers or no wiers without flooding up north the marsh dies!! Math them wiers on the west side of biglake have been there for year's, not sure the last time they were open or closed but do know lastyear they all got fixed. And not saying the map/maps ya'll are showing are not right but if so my house is under water, and it's been there since 1878!!! Not the same house but the land.

What do you mean by flooding up north what stops the flooding oakdale floods all the time maybe saltwater barrier limiting flow or others such as man made canals diverting water but how would you fix that

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Duck Butter · #17 08-22-2013, 02:58 PM

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Wiers or no wiers without flooding up north the marsh dies!! Math them wiers on the west side of biglake have been there for year's, not sure the last time they were open or closed but do know lastyear they all got fixed. And not saying the map/maps ya'll are showing are not right but if so my house is under water, and it's been there since 1878!!! Not the same house but the land.

Your house sits in the red portion of that map?