Wiers Opening?

["W"]

Originally Posted by T-TOP

2013

http://binged.it/15AjHT7

couldn't figure out how to post the picture of the map so here is the link

Boy that marsh looks all gone


Lmao

Duckbutt post deceiving maps

[noodle creek]

How long has the ship channel been there? How long did the marsh survive before the levee and weirs were put there?

Also have to remember that weirs or no weirs, rita and ike covered the entire marsh in saltwater, which will also kill marsh, regardless of weirs.

[Nickt87]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

How long has the ship channel been there? How long did the marsh survive before the levee and weirs were put there?

Good question, do the owners of the lake possibly know these answers? Also waiting on W's adveradage depth of his marsh.

The Ms River was brought under control throughout the mid 1800's but we did not begin to see exponential growth of negative impacts until nearly 100 years later.

[noodle creek]

So pictures before and after rita cannot be compared fairly. Also, aerial photos look a whole lot different in summer time and winter

["W"]

Duck Butt

Post Pick from Summer Marsh 1996 then Dead winter 2005 after hurricane


Makes him feel better about his save the grass job

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by "W"

Duck Butt

Post Pick from Summer Marsh 1996 then Dead winter 2005 after hurricane


Makes him feel better about his save the grass job

If you truly believe that the marshes east and west of Calcasieu Lake are NOT disappearing then I really can not help and nor can anyone else. You really really need to get out from whatever rock it is you are under


The aerials are actual photographs, nothing is made up about them. What you are looking for is OPEN water. Look at the change in open water - water that was once LAND. Lord have mercy!

[Duck Butter]

Here is a map that MG posted up for you. We have had this conversation already. The red is where land once was.

[Andy C]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

If you truly believe that the marshes east and west of Calcasieu Lake are NOT disappearing then I really can not help and nor can anyone else. You really really need to get out from whatever rock it is you are under


The aerials are actual photographs, nothing is made up about them. What you are looking for is OPEN water. Look at the change in open water - water that was once LAND. Lord have mercy!

How long you thank it took to build that marsh???
How did two major storms, in 3 years plus all the crap from Cameron and the beech towns tear it up???

Got to give it some time to come back, that's just common since...

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Andy C

How long you thank it took to build that marsh???
How did two major storms, in 3 years plus all the crap from Cameron and the beech towns tear it up???

Got to give it some time to come back, that's just common since...

You see that 'Pleistocene' wording at the top of the page? that was from millions of years ago and that is from glacial sediments in that time. The marsh below that is from organic materials that took a long time to build as well

It is very very hard to restore something back to the way it was. It is MUCH easier to try and save what you have than to restore it and that is the decisions that some people are going to have to make.

I would not buy waterfront property in the marsh in SW La or SE La, because its going away a football field PER HOUR

[Nickt87]

Originally Posted by Andy C

How long you thank it took to build that marsh???
How did two major storms, in 3 years plus all the crap from Cameron and the beech towns tear it up???

Got to give it some time to come back, that's just common since...

It will take much longer than you think. You will not see it, I will not see nor will our children see it.

[Andy C]

Same pictures as last time we had this talk. If they are right I have to swim to my house.

That said yes ike and reida did a bad number on the marsh in sw la.!! See it first hand.

But why on the west side if BL. ( way more lose then the east side of BL. It is finely coming back and regrowing??

The 4 sets of wiers on that side have not been closed in 10 year's I know of. And none of the concrete/board wiers in the marsh ( you take out and put back for boat passage) even have the boards in them. And that marsh is starting to come back.
As far as the channel gos open all flood gates and dames and let it flood and wash sediment down and the marsh will rebuild way faster.

But know they stop/dame it up to protect people that chose to build on a river that floods!!!

Reida nocked down the levee on the east side of BL. For a reason??? What reason I don't know!!

Sorry for all the spelling erears in a tractor, feeding yalls families!!!

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[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Andy C

Same pictures as last time we had this talk. If they are right I have to swim to my house.

That said yes ike and reida did a bad number on the marsh in sw la.!! See it first hand.

But why on the west side if BL. ( way more lose then the east side of BL. It is finely coming back and regrowing??

The 4 sets of wiers on that side have not been closed in 10 year's I know of. And none of the concrete/board wiers in the marsh ( you take out and put back for boat passage) even have the boards in them. And that marsh is starting to come back.
As far as the channel gos open all flood gates and dames and let it flood and wash sediment down and the marsh will rebuild way faster.

But know they stop/dame it up to protect people that chose to build on a river that floods!!!

Reida nocked down the levee on the east side of BL. For a reason??? What reason I don't know!!

Sorry for all the spelling erears in a tractor, feeding yalls families!!!

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We already figured that out as well. Pretty sure one of the mods said your house was not underwater, so no swimming for you


Marshes are typically organic soils (muck), sediment is needed to build the foundation. If you put sediment on top of a muck marsh its no good. The plants are what keep all that held together. When a freshwater, intermediate, or brackish marsh is exposed to saltwater for long periods of time the vegetation dies and the soil washes away because there are no roots to hold it altogether. Salt marsh would handle that fine, but thats not salt marsh. Salt marsh couldn't come in because there would be no soil left for it to establish. (thats a very very condensed version, much much more to it than that).

Take home lesson: saltwater bad for plants that are not adapted to saltwater, pour a bucket of saltwater in your garden and see what happens. Salts are used for defoliants in farming industry to defoliate plants (kill them) so they can harvest. Salt was also used in the ancient times when peoples? would defeat another peoples?. They would 'salt the earth' so that nothing would grow and they would have to move on to find other areas to farm to feed themselves

[Andy C]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

We already figured that out as well. Pretty sure one of the mods said your house was not underwater, so no swimming for you

Thank good ness, cause was there last week and was able to drive , seen the pics again and thought I was going to have to swim. All I mean them photos don't tell/show the hole truth. Wiers no wiers. It didn't help either way.in my mind.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Andy C

Thank good ness, cause was there last week and was able to drive , seen the pics again and thought I was going to have to swim. All I mean them photos don't tell/show the hole truth. Wiers no wiers. It didn't help either way.in my mind.

post 131 check it out, you are fine
http://www.saltycajun.com/forum/show...t=wiers&page=7

["W"]

Nick

the east side Marsh adv about 1.5 to 2 ft of water

DuckButter

Give up!! you will not win this battle!!! Our marsh is healthy and does not need the weirs to stay closed off to keep it growing


right now they have 15ppt trapped behind the weirs and ship channel is pushing 17 to 19

so what is the big deal of keep closed???

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by "W"

Nick

the east side Marsh adv about 1.5 to 2 ft of water

it ain't a marsh if its OPEN WATER and they are, they used to not be, thats what we are saying, its open water brah


DuckButter

Give up!! you will not win this battle!!! Our marsh is healthy and does not need the weirs to stay closed off to keep it growing

Growing marsh? Negative tboy


right now they have 15ppt trapped behind the weirs and ship channel is pushing 17 to 19

Seems like they are doing what they are there for then if they are trying to keep the saline water from getting back there right? After all 15ppt is less than 17 to 19ppt by my calculations Do you not think that if that wier was open, the salinity would rise? Its called equilibrium


so what is the big deal of keep closed???

CCA and DU are co-conspiring to keep ducks on the private property back there, and to allow the private property owners back there to catch all the shrimp they want before anyone else gets a shot at it. DU will open the wiers whenever they get more people down here. Currently all the Lousiana DU people are in Missouri pouring corn out to shortstop ducks. After that, they have to construct the nets that are placed in the air to shortstop the ducks also. Once all that is done, they should be down here to open the wiers. Wait, I forgot, they will be up there til January heating the fields up there. So maybe at the end of January they will open the wiers, doesn't matter though because all the shrimp and crabs will be dead in October from this big freeze you keep talking bout


But seriously, are you just mad because the birds are not picking shrimp and you can't fish the birds

["W"]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

CCA and DU are co-conspiring to keep ducks on the private property back there, and to allow the private property owners back there to catch all the shrimp they want before anyone else gets a shot at it. DU will open the wiers whenever they get more people down here. Currently all the Lousiana DU people are in Missouri pouring corn out to shortstop ducks. After that, they have to construct the nets that are placed in the air to shortstop the ducks also. Once all that is done, they should be down here to open the wiers. Wait, I forgot, they will be up there til January heating the fields up there. So maybe at the end of January they will open the wiers, doesn't matter though because all the shrimp and crabs will be dead in October from this big freeze you keep talking bout


But seriously, are you just mad because the birds are not picking shrimp and you can't fish the birds

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by "W"

Why don't you ever bring up the saltwater barrier? Why was it installed?

Is it for some landowner behind it to save their wigeongrass?

Why would anyone want to keep saltwater out?

You should get up a team of people and go protest the saltwater barrier and get them to destroy that thing. The people in Moss Bluff should be allowed to catch trout from their docks, and the saltwater barrier is keeping those people from their rights as fishermen!!!!!



Hope you got some money saved for an ice eater if you plan on duck hunting this year. No sense in fishing with the wiers being closed, and the marshes are going to freeze so gonna need to bust dat ice to kill ducks

[huntin fool]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Why don't you ever bring up the saltwater barrier? Why was it installed?

Is it for some landowner behind it to save their wigeongrass?

Why would anyone want to keep saltwater out?

You should get up a team of people and go protest the saltwater barrier and get them to destroy that thing. The people in Moss Bluff should be allowed to catch trout from their docks, and the saltwater barrier is keeping those people from their rights as fishermen!!!!!



Hope you got some money saved for an ice eater if you plan on duck hunting this year. No sense in fishing with the wiers being closed, and the marshes are going to freeze so gonna need to bust dat ice to kill ducks

We do catch reds, trout, lady fish, and flounder off our docks. Infact it really doesn't keep saltwater out like most think.
But that's another subject there for another day.

[Andy C]

Agree, but how you going to get sediment or organic matter in them with all the leaves and dams. To get organic matter something has to die and then rebuild.

I am not pro or con wiers, but do believe man kind has over engineered flood plans, and leaves and dams.