Tripletail Size and Creel limit changes

["W"]

Originally Posted by Montauk17

Totally different animal....that area gets a huge influx of freshwater almost year round.

And thats not true either you can look at the history of the catfish locks and they give you salinity and number of hours open and closed

They have had saltwater holding in lower marsh area for very long periods of time

2005 the whole year up to Rita they stayed closed due to saltwater

[Montauk17]

Of course you will get higher salinity after a hurricane and drought years. Im talking about on a normal year. So you think the area would be better off without the catfish locks?

["W"]

Originally Posted by Montauk17

Of course you will get higher salinity after a hurricane and drought years. Im talking about on a normal year. So you think the area would be better off without the catfish locks?

Yes....

Was fine for many many many years with out the locks

Only ones who really benefit from the locks are farmers (which i think is a good thing)

But why control water ways???

Why control something or change it from its original state??



Still waiting on smalls to tell me more in how Lower mermentau basin is better now than 30 years ago!!!

And if Sabine / Mermentau / and West side of Big lake all have marshes better than 30 years ago why are the east side only ones with weirs??

[Montauk17]

So what your saying is salty gulf water is good for fresh/brackish marshes....lmao

[Smalls]

OVERALL, did not say everything was better. As a whole, the system is not in as bad a shape as it once was, but that does mean there are not degraded areas. There are many places that are not healthy or what they once were.

Because the marshes on the east side were impacted the most. There was some significant changes along the ship channel in Marsh type, marshes getting saltier, but as a whole, due to the management of the Sabine refuge and the lower saltwater flow into the Sabine ship channel, there was not near as much salt water flow into the west side.

East side got hit on both sides by saltwater.

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["W"]

Here is catfish locks data
http://www2.mvn.usace.army.mil/od/lo....asp?lockid=22

["W"]

Originally Posted by Smalls

OVERALL, did not say everything was better. As a whole, the system is not in as bad a shape as it once was, but that does mean there are not degraded areas. There are many places that are not healthy or what they once were.

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I know your good at what you do and know your stuff, so question is

Weirs

Helping lake
Hurting lake

["W"]

Originally Posted by Montauk17

So what your saying is salty gulf water is good for fresh/brackish marshes....lmao

In what area are you talking about???

Lower Mermentau marshes have always been saltwater

West Of big lake from what i know of has always been saltwater

Sabine has always been saltwater

[Montauk17]

There is a huge difference in salty gulf water vs. brackish mostly fresh. Most of the marshes god created were not meant to be hit with gulf water. Man made them salt marshes. Do some research with a open mind and you will understand...over and out.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Montauk17

There is a huge difference in salty gulf water vs. brackish mostly fresh. Most of the marshes god created were not meant to be hit with gulf water. Man made them salt marshes. Do some research with a open mind and you will understand...over and out.

[Montauk17]

Classic comeback

[Smalls]

Originally Posted by "W"

In what area are you talking about???

Lower Mermentau marshes have always been saltwater

West Of big lake from what i know of has always been saltwater

Sabine has always been saltwater

False. Sabine was fresh as was calcasieu and mermentau. Anthropogenic modifications caused saltwater intrusion. To put your last question in terms you will understand: Weirs good, keep lake happy.

Hey, maybe we've been wrong all this time. "W" doesn't stand for "W"altrip, it stands for "W"eirs. You do like them dont you. I bet you wanna marry them. Make little "w"s and teach them how to "stop the fishies from swimming free".

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["W"]

Originally Posted by Smalls

False. Sabine was fresh as was calcasieu and mermentau. Anthropogenic modifications caused saltwater intrusion. To put your last question in terms you will understand: Weirs good, keep lake happy.

Hey, maybe we've been wrong all this time. "W" doesn't stand for "W"altrip, it stands for "W"eirs. You do like them dont you. I bet you wanna marry them. Make little "w"s and teach them how to "stop the fishies from swimming free".

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Show me were lower mermentau was never saltwater??

The river has always drained into the gulf...

[Smalls]

Yeah always drained into the gulf. Just like calcasieu. And Sabine. There were natural bars at the mouths of the rivers that prevented saltwater from entering the system. Salinities were rarely if ever what they are today.

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[Spunt Drag]

Originally Posted by Smalls

OVERALL, did not say everything was better. As a whole, the system is not in as bad a shape as it once was, but that does mean there are not degraded areas. There are many places that are not healthy or what they once were.

Because the marshes on the east side were impacted the most. There was some significant changes along the ship channel in Marsh type, marshes getting saltier, but as a whole, due to the lack of management of the Sabine refuge and the lower saltwater flow into the Sabine ship channel, there was not near as much salt water flow into the west side.

East side got hit on both sides by saltwater.

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Fixed it for you

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by "W"

Yes....

Was fine for many many many years with out the locks

Only ones who really benefit from the locks are farmers (which i think is a good thing)

But why control water ways???

Why control something or change it from its original state??



Still waiting on smalls to tell me more in how Lower mermentau basin is better now than 30 years ago!!!

And if Sabine / Mermentau / and West side of Big lake all have marshes better than 30 years ago why are the east side only ones with weirs??

The ship channel is not in its original state is the problem. This brings saltwater directly from the Gulf of Mexico into an area that is not supposed to be saltwater. The weirs were put in place to keep saltwater OUT (mitigatet) of the marshes. Saltwater not good for all freshwater or intermediate marsh. It kills the plants.
The fight RIGHT now is trying to restore the systems back to what they should be but saltwater fishermen are fighting this tooth and nail. Look at rodnreel.com. They would rather be able to drive a few miles to catch SEAtrout in their backyards,...ah nevermind. Its going to be a cluster and some of these projects may never be implemented because of a select few standing in the way

[Chip Landry]

How did this go from a triple tail discussion to a pissing contest over fresh/saltwater marshes and the weirs?

[Spunt Drag]

Originally Posted by Chip Landry

How did this go from a triple tail discussion to a pissing contest over fresh/saltwater marshes and the weirs?

They call him W

[Duck Butter]

Back on subject, this is just a preliminary discussion, no changes will happen anytime soon, if ever. There is very very little known about tripletail and their biology/ecology except for a few studies in MS. We definitely want our guys (LDWF) working on this rather than the feds. If lstudies are performed and there is nothing that raises any alarms then nothing will happen. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to take care of our fisheries. Not long ago yellowfin tuna were weren't targeted that often whereas now they are a delicacy, redfish were not considered a gamefish, so limits had to be placed upon them to ensure their sustainability.

[Spunt Drag]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Back on subject, this is just a preliminary discussion, no changes will happen anytime soon, if ever. There is very very little known about tripletail and their biology/ecology except for a few studies in MS. We definitely want our guys (LDWF) working on this rather than the feds. If lstudies are performed and there is nothing that raises any alarms then nothing will happen. I don't see anything wrong with wanting to take care of our fisheries. Not long ago yellowfin tuna were weren't targeted that often whereas now they are a delicacy, redfish were not considered a gamefish, so limits had to be placed upon them to ensure their sustainability.

Trout populations were not being affected by a 25 per person limit but here we are.