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07-21-2015, 09:36 PM
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Deity debate
Who are we to judge?
Love as you would expect to be loved, treat as you would expect to be treated. If we are judged in the end, God won't be as fickle as the book makes him out to be and the purity of our hearts will be the deciding factor. How crappy will we feel when the gay person we ridiculed in 4th grade is better dressed at the wedding than everyone else because their heart was full of love for all and lacking in judgement for any. After all, aren't we all God's creation? Let him handle the nitty gritty, and let us love like we've only got 100 years on this earth. 
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07-21-2015, 09:44 PM
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07-21-2015, 09:56 PM
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Let me get this straight Fishfish... You believe there "something out there bigger than you", that everything began from nothing, that it started instantaneously, and that from a "big bang" a bunch of quarks, anti-quarks, neutrons, electrons, protons, formed an atoms, then a bunch of different types of atoms formed and collided and decided to form a chain, and enough chains had a party and decided to form amino acids and proteins so that they could build a single cell organism. That the organism, could then mutate into different organisms, until it decides its tired of being a simple organism and decides to become a bigger life forum....oh wait, it would have to wait on an livable atmosphere....but that would mean that some of those single cells would have to decide to become plankton and the plankton would become trees that would decide that it wanted to make oxygen so that the other simple cells could become animals and the animals could become intelligent enough to design a computer where we could discuss all this. Man Fishfish...you got more faith than me, friend.
I grew up in a church, but there came a point in my life were I questioned God's existence, mostly because I could not understand eternity, how he could create everything out of nothing (same thing you believe), and I could not understand God. But it really came down to two choices. Either I believe in the first paragraph I wrote and believe when we die, we go into oblivion, or I believe in the man that claimed to come from God, was God, and was man. And I believe the writers that said they witnessed this man perform miracles, showed us how to love one another, and who was hated so much for claiming to be God that they killed him AND THEN rose on the 3rd day and escaped the tomb that roman soldiers were guarding. Also what is not discussed much but the Word tells us is that he was seen by thousands, that others were also raised from the dead during those days, and that these days were so magnificent that we're still speaking of it this day. So again, I have two choices, I choose to believe the latter, because 1, I don't have enough faith to believe the former, and 2) I've witnessed miracles in my life, and in friends and family. Also I came to the conclusion, if I were able to understand God, I would actually place him in a box with limits. So I don't have to understand everything, only that He is the Great I Am. oh, and about your questions about the poor kid, if God is anything he is just, and his Word tells us that he judges us based on our knowledge. So I believe God will only judge my poor friend on his knowledge and his choices based on that knowledge. so if he never heard of Jesus, of course God would not put him into eternal hell. But anyone who knows about Jesus and and rejects the call to "follow him" has made their choice on where they would prefer to spend eternity. It really is that simple. God Bless you all. I really enjoy reading your posts, even the ones I don't agree with. sorry for such a long post.
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07-21-2015, 10:15 PM
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Also, just as important is not placing God in the shadows of everything unknown...because soon enough, we will know those things, and then one may feel the need to argue on God's behalf for some dogmatically held belief! Neil Degrasse Tyson said this: "Does it mean, if you don’t understand something, and the community of physicists don’t understand it, that means God did it? Is that how you want to play this game? Because if it is, here’s a list of things in the past that the physicists at the time didn’t understand [enter a bunch of "Sciencey" stuff]...If that’s how you want to invoke your evidence for God, then God is an ever-receding pocket of scientific ignorance that’s getting smaller and smaller and smaller as time moves on - so just be ready for that to happen, if that’s how you want to come at the problem.
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07-21-2015, 10:28 PM
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07-21-2015, 10:43 PM
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I completely understood you. I also didn't explain myself well enough.
The operative words were "if/then". I took the quote out of another context to illustrate a point. Like you said, if we think we understand it all, then, we put God in a box. Also, if we think that it's God's hand in EVERYTHING that we DON'T understand, then we still put God in a box (that grows smaller each day, b/c humans are pretty good at learning new things...just really bad at a host of other things). My point is, we could all do well to stop putting God in a box.
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07-21-2015, 10:58 PM
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I believe Jesus is Yahweh. He lived a sinless life, died on a cross for my sins, and rose from the grave. It was Jesus who spoke the world into being, told Noah to build an ark, made the promises to Abraham, and delivered Israel from Egypt.
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07-22-2015, 08:18 AM
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Noah's ark..... Now that's an interesting story
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07-22-2015, 12:57 PM
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The scientific method assumes that miracles do not exist and insists that evidence be interpreted without the possibility of supernatural explanations. With the constraint of not allowing for supernatural explanations, it is not unreasonable to conclude from the physical evidence that the earth and universe are much older.
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07-22-2015, 01:06 PM
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07-22-2015, 01:40 PM
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if you believe in god and turnout to be wrong its no big deal, you still lead a good life.
if you DONT believe in god and turnout to be wrong, IT IS A BIG DEAL, and sadly you will deservedly have a bad afterlife. take your chances if you want to god is like a life jacket, both are kinda in the way of you feeling free and unhindered but both are equally there to save you and worth having with you
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#18
07-22-2015, 02:25 PM
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Like most things in life, we try to overthink and over-complicate things. My beliefs are pretty simple. I know I'm a sinner and that Jesus Christ died on the cross for my sins. I've accepted him as my Lord and Savior and have the assurance that when I die I will go to heaven.
I don't understand everything about God and the bible, but the great thing is that I don't have to.
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07-22-2015, 03:37 PM
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07-22-2015, 05:34 PM
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Believe or don't believe. Say you're going to heaven or say you don't know. We will all find out if we are right or wrong. By then it's too late. Do what is right by you and others and hope for the best. Be honest and do no harm unless the balance needs to be reset then do what must be done to replace order.
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