Boycott the S.T.A.R.: CCA Failed to protect Oysters in Big Lake

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Black drum were sampled in 2011, 2012, and 2013, but numbers were only sufficient for length class analysis in 2013.

In 2011, the mean condition factor for black drum in Calcasieu Lake was 0.934 +/- 0.017. This means that the black drum only had enough forage to maintain 93.4% of the weight as the long term Louisiana average for a given length, season, and species. For comparison, the condition factor determined by the USGS in 2000 (before the oyster reefs were destroyed) was 1.03 +/- 0.02. In 2012, the mean condition factor for black drum dropped markedly to 0.842 +/- 0.012. In 2013, the mean condition factor of all lengths was 0.889 +/- 0.012.

The length class analysis shown in the graph shows that the longest length classes are struggling to find enough food to maintain body condition. These are the fish most heavily dependent on oyster reefs, suggesting that oyster reef destruction (by dredging) is a significant factor in the observed declines in fish condition.

Link to 2000 USGS study please

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Link to 2000 USGS study please

pretty please MG, can I have a link to this study?

[3FLa]

I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

["W"]

Originally Posted by 3FLa

I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

Can guides fish?? And where can we sign up

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by 3FLa

I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

but get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

The private vs public waterways dispute? fo real? We have millions of acres in Louisiana to fish, no need fishing on top of someone elses' private property. Yes, its private property. That was once land that is now water but the bottom is still owned by the original landowner. Navigable water does not = you have a right to fish/hunt there. This has already been decided by a judge. Its illegal, the landowner has every right to keep people off his property (yes you can own water in Louisiana) Do you really think you have a right to go and fish in someone's backyard if their home floods? Its navigable. Do you think that when the MS River floods you should be able to go and duck hunt in the flooded timber on someone else's property?

this may need a thread on its own, even though its been beat to death


Keep up the good fight with the other issues though, this one shouldn't be on the list though

[marshrunner757]

Originally Posted by 3FLa

I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

With any luck, this is real.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by 3FLa

I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

BOOM!!

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by 3FLa

I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

Very interesting. Please keep is informed with regular announcements at Salty Cajun.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by 3FLa

I thought your were not responding anymore

Now, I cannot speak for anyone else, and I am a CCA hater, but let me tell you what I and my friends did. We spent over $275,000.00 of personal money in the last two years doing things which CCA's refuses to do----protect recreational sportsmens rights. In the last three years, I have personally spent over 38 days in Washington D.C., 123 days in Baton Rouge, 29 days in Florida, 13 in Texas. My friends, have done the same. And not one time did I or anyone else ever ask you to give us a penny, nor did we make public our actions, unlike your little posses' love of fanfare.

So while you were in your little reival in New Orleans, I was at a Washington D.C. adminstrative hearing trying to save the red snapper season, a hearing that CCA was invited to and failed to appear. A hearing where a federal judge call your group's omissions "suspect" and "contrary". Then you got on this site and denied that happen, until two days later when your group posted exactly what I said on its very own website.

I have been able to meet with State Senators and Reps, as well as U.S. Congressmen. All these officals respect our little group and will return phone calls to us, unless we mention the "C"apitol "C"lowns "A"ssociation (their name, not mind).

We have hired our own lobby group and have paid them over $67,000 over the last 12 months, again from our own money to support the rights CCA refuses to defend.

Not one of us ever received a salary, nor have we asked for one, nor will we every ask for one.

When CCA was in bed with the Louisiana Landowners Association and refused to involve itself with the public vs private waterways, despite its very own mission statement, our group donated over 33,000 acres of personal land across the country so the public could have a place to recreate.

We did all this behind the scenes and without any fanfare. Even received a threat from you, which again fell on deaf ears.

But we are tired of always getting negative reactions and setbacks because of your group, and that is why will be have our own tournament (2015), called the Galaxy (because Galaxies eats Stars).

More details will soon follow, but here is a general overview: It will be free to fish; It will be 202 days; It will have over 2.5M in prizes, including one tagged fish worth 1M; there will be weekly giveways to all contestants with each week's prize being worth approx. $175-$250.00.

The one and only stipulation of the Galaxy will be that you cannot be a registered member of CCA/STAR. Furthermore, if you registered with Galaxy and catch a STAR tagged fish, you win $50,000.00.

CCA tags 50 fish, we will tag 100. A tagged fish will be worth $25,000.00, not the first one caught, but all of them. If you catch any tagged fish with a child (<15) in your group, you get an extra $5,000.00; if you catch a tagged fish with a wounded veteran in your group, you get an extra $2,500.00 extra and the veteran gets $2,500.00; any tagged redfish harvested with a bow will awarded an extra $10,000 over any above its tag value.

Is this real--very!

Will this hurt CCA--Yes!

Is our goal to destroy CCA-Yes

Why--We spend a whole bunch of money to support recreational fishermen to only be setback by the likes of CCA-Louisiana.

What Next--Form a legitmate group of concern individuals, throughout the gulf coast who actually support the rights of ALL recreational fishermen, not a choosen few.

get your facts straight before you accuse others of not doing anything.

Bump bump.. Been a year and a half, whats the status brah?

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Black drum were sampled in 2011, 2012, and 2013, but numbers were only sufficient for length class analysis in 2013.

In 2011, the mean condition factor for black drum in Calcasieu Lake was 0.934 +/- 0.017. This means that the black drum only had enough forage to maintain 93.4% of the weight as the long term Louisiana average for a given length, season, and species. For comparison, the condition factor determined by the USGS in 2000 (before the oyster reefs were destroyed) was 1.03 +/- 0.02. In 2012, the mean condition factor for black drum dropped markedly to 0.842 +/- 0.012. In 2013, the mean condition factor of all lengths was 0.889 +/- 0.012.

The length class analysis shown in the graph shows that the longest length classes are struggling to find enough food to maintain body condition. These are the fish most heavily dependent on oyster reefs, suggesting that oyster reef destruction (by dredging) is a significant factor in the observed declines in fish condition.

I need the link please, I have seen in the past where you were measuring fish at boat ramps and not specifying male or female or taking into account seasonality (just measuring length and weight). Most USGS studies I have seen take into account all of this and include age as well (by otoliths). Without specifying males vs females, time of year, and age, I don't think your comparisons can be valid, may be a little misleading is all

[Speckmeister]

Well...I think there's enough agreement that we need to know the biomass of speckled trout and the SPR indicator (although may not be the best statistic) for Big Lake. And I know that some of you are divided on supporting CCA and CCA's STAR.
And...I understand your opinions - and I pleasantly disagree.
There can be no doubt, that CCA is heavily funded and is the most popular of all coastal conservation groups.
As anglers, we're a house divided on some issues, but we can work harder to encourage CCA to assist us in first getting indicators on speckled trout populations in Calcasieu Lake. Once we have the data to see exactly where we are with regard to that, then data needs to be gathered to look at possible solutions to improving that population. Right now, LDWF hasn't released SPR and/or biomass indicators since 2011 due to litigation with BP. Therefore, I will say the following:

In my six decades on this Earth, I have had differences with God, my wife, my children, my parents, my Church, my government, my friends, and many of my politicians. I did not let those deter me from joining them and resolving problems together. I hope to see my friends at the LC CCA banquet Thursday night who have shared their expertise and time to enjoy and share fishing experiences that have given me great joy and excitement at this stage in my life. My sincere thanks to all of you!

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Speckmeister

In my six decades on this Earth, I have had differences with God, my wife, my children, my parents, my Church, my government, my friends, and many of my politicians. I did not let those deter me from joining them and resolving problems together.

I firmly believe in resolving problems together.

But when a group manipulates that into meaning giving them money first as a prerequisite to working together, has a track record of not listening once the check is written, and has a track record of bringing bags of $$$$$$ back to Texas to support restoration projects there, I begin to think the group should show some better evidence of being willing to "work together" in ways more meaningful than using contributions to lobby in favor of bad policies.

In the present case "working together" needs to mean CCA proving a commitment to scientific fisheries management before we give them any more money.

Giving them more money now will only reinforce their bad behavior and subvert any hopes we may have of working together.

[KDM]

I will see you there speckmeister!!!!!

[biggun]

Speck M

Well Said.. My sentiments exactly....

IF all the haters would Get off their Azz and Stop Bit_hin.. We MAYBE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING DONE..

Oysters, Channel, Weirs, Etc.. ALL ARE VALID CONCERNS.. BIT_H ing on SC doesn't accomplish anything...

[Nickt87]

Originally Posted by biggun

Speck M

Well Said.. My sentiments exactly....

IF all the haters would Get off their Azz and Stop Bit_hin.. We MAYBE ABLE TO GET SOMETHING DONE..

Oysters, Channel, Weirs, Etc.. ALL ARE VALID CONCERNS.. BIT_H ing on SC doesn't accomplish anything...

Paying money to join an organization that doesn't do "D"I""C"K" but frat around and shake hands and act like they know what's going on doesn't either.

["W"]

I spoke with David C (head of CCA)over an hour yesterday on the phone.

I told him my views, rants, problems and what is not getting done!

Hopefully they make some moves but we shall see

[cgoods17]

Originally Posted by "W"

I spoke with David C (head of CCA)over an hour yesterday on the phone.

I told him my views, rants, problems and what is not getting done!

Hopefully they make some moves but we shall see

well what was his response to your comments?

And why doesn't everybody who is against what the CCA is doing and has done and go to the banquet tomorrow night and start asking everybody there questions and make it a point to notify everybody else the concerns about the lake.?? wouldnt that be better than complaining for months about it on the internet?

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by cgoods17

well what was his response to your comments?

And why doesn't everybody who is against what the CCA is doing and has done and go to the banquet tomorrow night and start asking everybody there questions and make it a point to notify everybody else the concerns about the lake.?? wouldnt that be better than complaining for months about it on the internet?

Why pay $60 a head to be ignored?

CCA has proven in the past to be insensitive to our concerns, to use member's money to lobby for more restrictive regulations, lobby for increased license fees, and fund expensive restoration projects in Texas.

Your logic is like passing a bill to see what's in it. CCA should prove their commitment to data driven conservation and proportional use of funds for projects in Louisiana before we give them more money.

[marshrunner757]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Why pay $60 a head to be ignored?

CCA has proven in the past to be insensitive to our concerns, to use member's money to lobby for more restrictive regulations, lobby for increased license fees, and fund expensive restoration projects in Texas.

Your logic is like passing a bill to see what's in it. CCA should prove their commitment to data driven conservation and proportional use of funds for projects in Louisiana before we give them more money.

Couldn't agree more!

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[cgoods17]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

Why pay $60 a head to be ignored?

CCA has proven in the past to be insensitive to our concerns, to use member's money to lobby for more restrictive regulations, lobby for increased license fees, and fund expensive restoration projects in Texas.

Your logic is like passing a bill to see what's in it. CCA should prove their commitment to data driven conservation and proportional use of funds for projects in Louisiana before we give them more money.

you think if you make a big enough stink you will still get ignored?