wildlife commission/CCA responses

[ifsteve]

So let me ask a simple question? Just WHAT are your "interests."?? Seems like what I get from reading a lot of threads and posts on this forum and others is that it boils down to being able to catch and keep any and as many fish as you can. Sad actually.

[Jadams]

Originally Posted by ifsteve

So let me ask a simple question? Just WHAT are your "interests."?? Seems like what I get from reading a lot of threads and posts on this forum and others is that it boils down to being able to catch and keep any and as many fish as you can. Sad actually.

I just want channel fixed and oysters either tongs only r mandatory reseeding... And I'll take care of the fish murdering... Keeping the estuary pristine will keep the fishing excellent like it was... When u see a bad yr weather can be blamed see 2 throws a flag and makes u look at what's changed



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[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by ifsteve

So let me ask a simple question? Just WHAT are your "interests."?? Seems like what I get from reading a lot of threads and posts on this forum and others is that it boils down to being able to catch and keep any and as many fish as you can. Sad actually.

No one has advocated keeping "any and as many fish as you can" on this forum.

We have advocated limits and regulations supported by sound, public scientific data rather than jealousy, fear, and special interests.

[keakar]

Originally Posted by ifsteve

So let me ask a simple question? Just WHAT are your "interests."?? Seems like what I get from reading a lot of threads and posts on this forum and others is that it boils down to being able to catch and keep any and as many fish as you can. Sad actually.

far from it, I don't want to keep anything or have any regulations changed for anything that cant be supported by actual science that says the fishery can support it. if the science says that the fishery is healthy and can support more harvesting then change the regulations to allow more harvest (which never happens).

as it stands now CCA is trying to get us into a catch and release only fishery for all species of fish with no science to back up the need and in direct opposition of real science and data that says their position and the regulations they are pushing for are wrong. they sit around and think up ideas that sound good to them and push them through even though scientist tell them it wont work or even will have negative impacts such as the crazy idea lowering speck limits in big lake will create even more bigger trout there. in fact just as scientists told them its the food supply that determines how big specks get NOT how many you are allowed to keep. so instead of solving the food supply problem they are off chasing crazy ideas not supported by science. had they worked on increasing the food source for them then big lake would be a trophy speck destination like no other yet they have done nothing that scientists told them would work to get the desired results. they are clueless and only concerned with self promotion rather then working hard for real change that is supported by science and 90% of the positions they take are in direct opposition to what the science says should be done.

when it gets to the point you can only keep one or two fish and have to spend $500-$700 just to go do it, then CCA has achieved its goal and its a fishery that is being reserved only for the wealthy and well off and the regular public is deprived of that fishery by default of it being too expensive with no reward or benefit. people around here need to feed their families with the fish they catch, its not just a hobby or pastime for most of us.

[Jadams]

I'm fixing to start going to the oyster shucker and filling sacks of shucked oysters and build some small ones... Of course I'll be building em in the middle of the night! Along w some cinder blocks... Anyone know the price of oyster seed and how much it covers etc?


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[T-TOP]

Originally Posted by Jadams

I'm fixing to start going to the oyster shucker and filling sacks of shucked oysters and build some small ones... Of course I'll be building em in the middle of the night! Along w some cinder blocks... Anyone know the price of oyster seed and how much it covers etc?


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I'll deck hand for you on those trips!!

["W"]

Obama also said if you like your insurance plan you can keep it...


Politics will politic

Actions speak louder than words

[T-TOP]

Originally Posted by "W"

Obama also said if you like your insurance plan you can keep it...





Politics will politic



Actions speak louder than words

Blade Morrish lives in Jennings, have you went by to talk to him about the bill that was going to restrict oyster dredging?


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["W"]

Originally Posted by T-TOP

Blade Morrish lives in Jennings, have you went by to talk to him about the bill that was going to restrict oyster dredging?


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Yep, on phone, in person, by email

[jchief]

Originally Posted by "W"

Yep, on phone, in person, by email

Did he say why did he back off of the bill for tonging only?

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[Matt G]

Originally Posted by jchief

Did he say why did he back off of the bill for tonging only?

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Because that's the only bills politicians care about.

[keakar]

Originally Posted by T-TOP

Blade Morrish lives in Jennings, have you went by to talk to him about the bill that was going to restrict oyster dredging?


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have you?

[KDM]

Math Geek, I really like your passion for the issues we all are facing here in Calcasieu but you simply overreach in your assumptions regarding what CCA. Please don't take that the wrong way but you simply do not have all of the facts. I will make you a deal, I will pay for a CCA membership for you for one year and you can get involved at the local board level, meet the hard working men and women who truly have our fishing resources at heart. Just a hunch, but I think your feelings will change or at least improve regarding who and what CCA is. CCA needs folks who have passion and vision which I think you have. DEAL????

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by KDM

Math Geek, I really like your passion for the issues we all are facing here in Calcasieu but you simply overreach in your assumptions regarding what CCA. Please don't take that the wrong way but you simply do not have all of the facts. I will make you a deal, I will pay for a CCA membership for you for one year and you can get involved at the local board level, meet the hard working men and women who truly have our fishing resources at heart. Just a hunch, but I think your feelings will change or at least improve regarding who and what CCA is. CCA needs folks who have passion and vision which I think you have. DEAL????

No thanks. I've done my homework and gathered lots of facts. I'm not into shell games that require personal interaction. People and organizations that put their positions in writing and are willing to be judged by their actions are more believable than verbal positions taken at meetings.

CCA consistently pushes for more restrictive limits just to be on the safe side, even when there is no scientific data suggesting that the current regulations are not sustainable. They've done this for black drum (statewide), specks (Big Lake), and most recently tripletail (statewide). They even wanted to narrow the redfish slot to 21-24" in Florida and close the redfish season in October, even though redfish stocks have made a tremendous recovery since the closure of commercial fishing and the ban in federal waters. They also opposed Florida recently raising the redfish limit from 1 to 2 slot reds.

Finally, CCA recently backed LA raising the saltwater fishing license cost by 136%. Louisiana needs data driven regulations. The "better safe than sorry" philosophy will always favor increasing restrictions on liberty. The focus on fisheries conservation in Louisiana should be on habitat: marsh, oyster reefs, artificial reefs, reducing erosion.

As soon as CCA comes out in public lobbying to REPEAL the tripletail restrictions and REPEAL the trout limit of 15 in Big Lake, I will give a membership serious consideration. But when a group has been screwing the sportsmen, you don't get into a closer relationship to "get to know them better" until they make amends for past wrongs.

["W"]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

No thanks. I've done my homework and gathered lots of facts. I'm not into shell games that require personal interaction. People and organizations that put their positions in writing and are willing to be judged by their actions are more believable than verbal positions taken at meetings.

CCA consistently pushes for more restrictive limits just to be on the safe side, even when there is no scientific data suggesting that the current regulations are not sustainable. They've done this for black drum (statewide), specks (Big Lake), and most recently tripletail (statewide). They even wanted to narrow the redfish slot to 21-24" in Florida and close the redfish season in October, even though redfish stocks have made a tremendous recovery since the closure of commercial fishing and the ban in federal waters. They also opposed Florida recently raising the redfish limit from 1 to 2 slot reds.

Finally, CCA recently backed LA raising the saltwater fishing license cost by 136%. Louisiana needs data driven regulations. The "better safe than sorry" philosophy will always favor increasing restrictions on liberty. The focus on fisheries conservation in Louisiana should be on habitat: marsh, oyster reefs, artificial reefs, reducing erosion.

As soon as CCA comes out in public lobbying to REPEAL the tripletail restrictions and REPEAL the trout limit of 15 in Big Lake, I will give a membership serious consideration. But when a group has been screwing the sportsmen, you don't get into a closer relationship to "get to know them better" until they make amends for past wrongs.

^^^^^^^^ Best statement ever ^^^^^^^^^^^

[MathGeek]

CCA has a clear propensity to consistently favor more restrictive fisheries regulations, even when there is not solid data showing that harvests are unsustainable under current regulations. In contrast to this viewpoint which will lead to ever increasing regulations, here are my carefully considered principles:

Conservative Principles of Responsible Wildlife Management

Sportsmen's liberties in pursuing and harvesting fish and game should not be further restricted unless there is sound and compelling scientific data demonstrating a true conservation need. Regulations should not be based on irrational fear that the resource might not remain for future generations; they should be based on sound scientific data showing the resource cannot be sustained for future generations under current management practices.

Sustainable harvests and use of the resources should always be allowed, and the burden of proof for those proposing new regulations should be on those proposing to impose criminal penalties for liberties which have been previously enjoyed. I see no wisdom in adopting restrictive regulations copying the example of neighboring states. Louisiana waters are generally less pressured and allow a more bountiful harvest than neighboring States. Whenever possible, Louisiana would do well to support the tourism industry and justify the expense of non-resident hunting and fishing licenses by maintaining more liberal harvest limits than other Gulf states. Our "Sportsman's Paradise" allows us to share our resources more liberally.

Finally, we should realize that habitat loss and other environmental factors often have a greater negative effect on fish and game populations than harvest pressure. Declining numbers of a population should not be blindly attributed to harvest pressure unless all possible confounding factors have been duly considered with applicable data-driven scientific approaches. In the long term, habitat loss is a greater threat to the sustainability of Louisiana fisheries than over fishing.

Data driven science should be the cornerstone of Louisiana's fishery management. All fisheries data, collection methodologies, and interpretations of Louisiana's data used to manage Louisiana's fisheries should be available to the public and subject to peer review and public scrutiny to ensure that management decisions are transparent, data-driven, and made with due consideration of sound scientific principles and stakeholder interests.

[keakar]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

CCA has a clear propensity to consistently favor more restrictive fisheries regulations, even when there is not solid data showing that harvests are unsustainable under current regulations. In contrast to this viewpoint which will lead to ever increasing regulations, here are my carefully considered principles:

Conservative Principles of Responsible Wildlife Management

Sportsmen's liberties in pursuing and harvesting fish and game should not be further restricted unless there is sound and compelling scientific data demonstrating a true conservation need. Regulations should not be based on irrational fear that the resource might not remain for future generations; they should be based on sound scientific data showing the resource cannot be sustained for future generations under current management practices.

Sustainable harvests and use of the resources should always be allowed, and the burden of proof for those proposing new regulations should be on those proposing to impose criminal penalties for liberties which have been previously enjoyed. I see no wisdom in adopting restrictive regulations copying the example of neighboring states. Louisiana waters are generally less pressured and allow a more bountiful harvest than neighboring States. Whenever possible, Louisiana would do well to support the tourism industry and justify the expense of non-resident hunting and fishing licenses by maintaining more liberal harvest limits than other Gulf states. Our "Sportsman's Paradise" allows us to share our resources more liberally.

Finally, we should realize that habitat loss and other environmental factors often have a greater negative effect on fish and game populations than harvest pressure. Declining numbers of a population should not be blindly attributed to harvest pressure unless all possible confounding factors have been duly considered with applicable data-driven scientific approaches. In the long term, habitat loss is a greater threat to the sustainability of Louisiana fisheries than over fishing.

Data driven science should be the cornerstone of Louisiana's fishery management. All fisheries data, collection methodologies, and interpretations of Louisiana's data used to manage Louisiana's fisheries should be available to the public and subject to peer review and public scrutiny to ensure that management decisions are transparent, data-driven, and made with due consideration of sound scientific principles and stakeholder interests.

exactly but you lost them as soon as you used that dreaded "c" word, wish you had just simply called it: Principles of Responsible Wildlife Management

the second the libs saw that they wrote your ideas off as crazy tea party stuff. sad but true in todays political climate of ignoring the opposing views

["W"]

CCA has Zero fight right now on oyster fishing ZERO

Until they start showing Actions and not talk, your wasting your money supporting a lost cause and I speak for a lot of fishing guides, crabbers and others who make a living on the waters



When was the last time the CCA had a spoke person down here in person asking questions talking to crabbers, guides and recreational fisherman??





Never!! Like is said Actions.Speak.louder than words and CCA action here on big lake have been ZERO





But we did get a $650,000+ reef that was donated from old road and the CCA sunshine pumpers got to make the paper

["W"]

CCA motto

" it's the right thing to do"
Science we don't need no stinking science

[KDM]

Truly sorry you feel that way and again your passion is so misguided that it is a shame. I would hope you, "W", kekar and the rest will put all of your concern for the resource and your collective energies expressed here on the interweb into forming an organization to accomplish the goals you seek. As I said about a month ago "those of you who doubt CCA's concern for our resources just sit tight".