2013 Snapper season changes

[Montauk17]

The heat got to me.....that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I didn't get sick on the tuna trip,wasn't 110 degrees with no shade.

[Dink]

Originally Posted by Montauk17

The heat got to me.....that's my story and I'm sticking to it. I didn't get sick on the tuna trip,wasn't 110 degrees with no shade.

Oh yeah......I forgot about that! I was talking bout my wife, wasnt calling you out......

[noodle creek]

Florida su***. Worst regulations ever. They will never follow anything we do.

[Montauk17]

Makes alot of sense doesn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=kYFKLkC7tpE

["W"]

Originally Posted by Montauk17

Makes alot of sense doesn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=kYFKLkC7tpE

This is part of the oil field , 1st off it cost oil companies lots of money to keep a platform with zero income up. You still have to keep it in compliance ,.Coast Guard and BSSE regulations. Plus maintain it to a safe structure along with keeping navigation on it working.
I have watched more charter boats kill red snapper here in the gulf than any platform removal. The 1st year it went to 2 snapper per person , I watched and took picture (made a post on here) of them kill about a hundred snapper that floated off. I saw this many of times and still see it today!
When a platform is placed In the Gulf , no where does it state that it is a fish habitat . Once it has ran its time it will be removed !
This video is a rare case because we just removed 6 platforms and very few fish were harmed less than 20.

[hubcap28]

I see no reason for the states to rebel and make there own season. Hell those hippies are getting stoned in public in other states and fed wont enforce that

[BROWN FIN]

Originally Posted by Montauk17

Makes alot of sense doesn't it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=kYFKLkC7tpE

That make me sick! In the last few years I have noticed rigs have been disappearing and never thought about that.


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[ckinchen]

W the oil companies want to leave the rigs up not take them down. It is much cheaper to abandon a rig (and even keep it compliant from a safety standpoint) than it is to decommission one.

["W"]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

W the oil companies want to leave the rigs up not take them down. It is much cheaper to abandon a rig (and even keep it compliant from a safety standpoint) than it is to de commission one.

No that is not in all cases , it costs flight time and up keep to maintain a unused platform,, if it is a field with close by transportation is might be. But the ones we just pulled out needed millions of dollars of sand blasting and consturction to keep in compliance.

If you do not flow a platform for a certain # of years you have to remove it and 80% of oil companies agree and want to have removed
#1 cost money with no income
#2 have to visit so many days a week (on contract )
#3 have to do monthly compliance and Coast Guard
#4 if government finds any thing out of compliance can cost hefty fines in lump sum or each day!

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

No that is not in all cases , it costs flight time and up keep to maintain a unused platform,, if it is a field with close by transportation is might be. But the ones we just pulled out needed millions of dollars of sand blasting and consturction to keep in compliance.

If you do not flow a platform for a certain # of years you have to remove it and 80% of oil companies agree and want to have removed
#1 cost money with no income
#2 have to visit so many days a week (on contract )
#3 have to do monthly compliance and Coast Guard
#4 if government finds any thing out of compliance can cost hefty fines in lump sum or each day!

Interesting, my clients would disagree. At the last OTC conference in Houston (your company was there), a big topic of discussion as it has been for the past several years was how much the Companies wanted something to be done about the federally mandated decommission rules for offshore platforms. That being said, like most subjects you know more than the experts.

As far as ocean life is concerned that is no vaild argument to be made that would support taking down the rigs, the rigs are a valuable reef resource in the gulf and taking down the rigs the way they are being taken down wihtout a doubt kills oceanic lifeforms.

As is always the case, when a subject comes up that in some small way crosses something that you do, you immediatley jump on the side that you think benefits you, however in this argument big oil and conservationist (not the ones that live in Washington) are on the same page, rig removal is not good for either party.

["W"]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Interesting, my clients would disagree. At the last OTC conference in Houston (your company was there), a big topic of discussion as it has been for the past several years was how much the Companies wanted something to be done about the federally mandated decommission rules for offshore platforms. That being said, like most subject you know more than the experts.

As far as ocean life is concerned that is no vaild argument to be made that would support taking down the rigs, the rigs are a valuable reef resource in the gulf and taking down the rigs the way they are being taken down wihtout a doubt kills oceanic lifeforms.

As is always the case, when a subject comes up that in some small way crosses something that you do, you immediatley jump on the side that you think benefits you, however in this argument big oil and conservationist are on the same page, rig removal is not good for either party.

LMAO. Of course they would say that!!! Perfect world (Houston Meetings) vs Real World (gulf of Mexico)
Com on man!! You know better than that !

Every time I went to Houston , I can promise it never happens the way it does in a class room or power point ! NEVER!!!

They are going to tell public exactly what they want to hear!!!

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

LMAO. Of course they would say that!!! Perfect world (Houston Meetings) vs Real World (gulf of Mexico)
Com on man!! You know better than that !

Every time I went to Houston , I can promise it never happens the way it does in a class room or power point ! NEVER!!!

They are going to tell public exactly what they want to hear!!!

How would a rough neck like you possibly know what the cost to decommission v/s keep a rig in the gulf would be for a specific company on a specific rig? I didn't realize you also had an accounting certificate as part of your GED program.

This is a meeting of CEO's, CFO's and CAO's (chief accounting officers) from the top 100 oil companies in the world, not a group of people that don't know what is really going on. This is not a college classroom platform. Not that you would know what goes on in a college classrom, I am just saying....

[southern151]

He drinks oil so, how could you or any other person know more than him?! Those conferences don't know what's really happening. LOL!

["W"]

And like I said (find my old post with Picks) I have saw more charter boats kill snapper than from a platform removal !!!

So In real world you should only keep 1st two snapper you catch (no size limit.) this would save hundreds of snapper from floating off and becoming shark and pelican meals

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

And like I said (find my old post with Picks) I have saw more charter boats kill snapper than from a platform removal !!!

So I real world you should only keep 1st two snapper you catch (no size or limit ) this would save hundreds of snapper from floating off and becoming shark and pelican meals

Most people would agree with you if the point you are trying to make is the current snapper size and overall number regulations makes zero sense and actually harms the fishery. That is why the states are trying to do thier own thing.

["W"]

Bottom line is Oil Companies have agreement and lease ! You place platform at your cost and remove platform at your cost!

If you have an old house that is falling down, do you not tear it down because a owl and sparrows made a nest and home??

[ckinchen]

Originally Posted by "W"

Bottom line is Oil Companies have agreement and lease ! You place platform at your cost and remove platform at your cost!

If you have an old house that is falling down, do you not tear it down because a owl and sparrows made a nest and home??

Where did anyone complain about oil companies not cleaning up after themselves and who has the FAS 143 plug and abandoment/decommsion cost? I think the argument is about the required timing by the government and the methods that are being used as a result.

Geez this is like arguing with a 4th grader.

Nevermind.

[Montauk17]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Where did anyone complain about oil companies not cleaning up after themselves and who has the FAS 143 plug and abandoment/decommsion cost? I think the argument is about the required timing by the government and the methods that are being used as a result.

Geez this is like arguing with a 4th grader.

Nevermind.

You cannot win trying to talk sense into lil man....it's like trying to drive nails into a brick wall.

[ckinchen]

Think about what you are saying here W, oil companies favor having the government tell them they must have a rig out by X date v/s allowing them to take thier time and do it as they see fit or as becomes more cost effective? They like having more restrictions setup for them? I doubt it.

["W"]

Originally Posted by ckinchen

Think about what you are saying here W, oil companies favor having the government tell them they must have a rig out by X date v/s allowing them to take thier time and do it as they see fit or as becomes more cost effective? They like having more restrictions setup for them? I doubt it.

Government has to enforce laws or you could get a maw and paw company who just let's a platform rust to no end and fall over in a small storm .
So yes government laws are in place for my safety and everyone else safety ! I sure the hell don't want to walk on a platform and fall though grading ?


Have you ever been offshore ??