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Old 07-01-2015, 06:12 AM
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Lol, I'm just hoping we can keep that awful White House pic at the top of the threads until Christmas.
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Lol, I'm just hoping we can keep that awful White House pic at the top of the threads until Christmas.
That's only 6 months away. I think we can do that.lol
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Old 07-01-2015, 10:21 AM
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Old 07-01-2015, 11:53 AM
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Can't get the video to embed, but MathGeek, Duckman1911 and whoever else...please watch and listen fully to this argument.

https://youtu.be/A8JsRx2lois
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Old 07-01-2015, 12:11 PM
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Can't get the video to embed, but MathGeek, Duckman1911 and whoever else...please watch and listen fully to this argument.

https://youtu.be/A8JsRx2lois
It is not so much an argument as an attempt at an analogy.

The flaws in the "right side of history" claims have been thoroughly debunked.

http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/bl...tory-argument/

Further, the bigger concern of most people of faith is not what homosexuals are given the liberty to do, but in the forced violations of conscience upon people of faith who object to personal participation based on their faith and conscience.

Let the Sodomites continue to be Sodomites. But it is great evil to force people of faith to participate with them.
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Old 07-01-2015, 12:44 PM
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It is not so much an argument as an attempt at an analogy.



The flaws in the "right side of history" claims have been thoroughly debunked.



http://www.thegospelcoalition.org/bl...tory-argument/



Further, the bigger concern of most people of faith is not what homosexuals are given the liberty to do, but in the forced violations of conscience upon people of faith who object to personal participation based on their faith and conscience.



Let the Sodomites continue to be Sodomites. But it is great evil to force people of faith to participate with them.

Give 3 examples please.
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Old 07-01-2015, 12:32 PM
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https://youtu.be/A8JsRx2lois
It's not a religious issue for me. I am not the judge. I will be judged just like everyone else. My issue is that a business owner should be free to not serve someone based on any reason they see fit. Gay, straight, white, black or not tall enough or you're too tall. The person that owns a business should be free to decided based on any reason. Granted that freedom is also a two way street. A person can go tell everyone they know don't go to ducks shop and spend money because he is an Ahole.
I'm not an Ahole just using that as an analogy. I should have as much right to deny service as people have to tell others not to spend money with me. As a business owner it's not a wise decision but it should still be your decision to make.
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It's not a religious issue for me. I am not the judge. I will be judged just like everyone else. My issue is that a business owner should be free to not serve someone based on any reason they see fit. Gay, straight, white, black or not tall enough or you're too tall. The person that owns a business should be free to decided based on any reason. Granted that freedom is also a two way street. A person can go tell everyone they know don't go to ducks shop and spend money because he is an Ahole.
I'm not an Ahole just using that as an analogy. I should have as much right to deny service as people have to tell others not to spend money with me. As a business owner it's not a wise decision but it should still be your decision to make.
I totally agree with you on this... In a free market society this is the way things should work
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The one thing I find funny about libertarians is they don't want anyone being discrimitated against but at the same time that is discriminating against those that want to discriminate against others. Catch 22
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The one thing I find funny about libertarians is they don't want anyone being discrimitated against but at the same time that is discriminating against those that want to discriminate against others. Catch 22
So you would be fine is someone would refuse you service because your are christian, male, or presumably white?
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So you would be fine is someone would refuse you service because your are christian, male, or presumably white?
As a matter of fact yes. I would actually prefer it. Why would I want to give my hard earned money to someone that doesn't like me when I can go just down the road and spend my money with someone who does like me? It's a fairly simple concept.
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So you would be fine is someone would refuse you service because your are christian, male, or presumably white?
From your name I'm wondering if you are a guide. Not trying be a doushe just wondering if you would be happy being forced to take someone on your boat that you disliked?
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So you would be fine is someone would refuse you service because your are christian, male, or presumably white?
Many businesses make a habit of refusing service to honest citizens exercising their 2nd amendment rights. They even put a sign out front announcing it.

My family has been refused service and discriminated against for any number of reasons. Sometimes I make efforts to determine the reasons, most of the time I just take my Benjamins somewhere else.

One place where I buy bait has a sign above the door saying "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." I appreciate that and while it would be disappointing if they began discriminating againt black drum fishermen, I would respect their decision.
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Many businesses make a habit of refusing service to honest citizens exercising their 2nd amendment rights. They even put a sign out front announcing it.

My family has been refused service and discriminated against for any number of reasons. Sometimes I make efforts to determine the reasons, most of the time I just take my Benjamins somewhere else.

One place where I buy bait has a sign above the door saying "We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone." I appreciate that and while it would be disappointing if they began discriminating againt black drum fishermen, I would respect their decision.

Just curious but I'd love to hear a story about one of those times you were refused service.
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Just curious but I'd love to hear a story about one of those times you were refused service.
Every time we see a sign saying no guns allowed, we've been denied service for exercising our 2nd amendment rights.
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Old 07-01-2015, 01:26 PM
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I am not a guide nor in a business that would ever put myself in the situation to have to refuse anyone service. I understand and agree with your right to do so. I'm just making sure everyone is on the same playing field as far as refusal.

I'm just trying to imagine a situation where someone were to refuse service to Christians (protected class just like sexual orientation) and things go well for that person. Playing devils advocate.

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I'm just trying to imagine a situation where someone were to refuse service to Christians (protected class just like sexual orientation) and things go well for that person. Playing devils advocate.
Please cite the LA or US law stating that businesses cannot refuse service based on sexual orientation.

A Jewish, Atheist, or Muslim printer can absolutely refuse to print a Christian Bible or other Christian materials they find objectionable.
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http://townhall.com/columnists/johnh...2331/page/full
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OK, we have solved this issue. Everyone agrees gays can marry, but no one should be forced to participate.

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