Will you continue to Support CCA?

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

"As to the comments about rigs-to-reefs, I am assuming either you do not know, or you refuse to accept the facts that David Vitter sponsored a bill to stop the destruction of rigs off Louisiana's coast. He begged CCA of Louisiana to appear for the committee hearing, yet CCA failed to show and the bill was deferred (polite way of saying the bill is dead)."

That's pretty poor on CCA's part.

"I do I do have one question though, why is CCA of Louisiana the only 501(C) entity in the entire country that refuses to publish it's finanicial statement on a yearly basis.have one question though, why is CCA of Louisiana the only 501(C) entity in the entire country that refuses to publish it's finanicial statement on a yearly basis."

What's the deal with that?

No one on here is against limits if there is a reason for it. And as far as going to complain at meetings, do you think no one did that before the limit was reduced? Yeah right. A lot of good that did. Everyone on here who thinks that a limit on triple tail isn't a big deal is ridiculous. It's just like the liberal goverment taking over and telling us what we can and can't do. Same concept

Exactly x10000. But the CCA koolaide flows strong in some.

["W"]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

"As to the comments about rigs-to-reefs, I am assuming either you do not know, or you refuse to accept the facts that David Vitter sponsored a bill to stop the destruction of rigs off Louisiana's coast. He begged CCA of Louisiana to appear for the committee hearing, yet CCA failed to show and the bill was deferred (polite way of saying the bill is dead)."

That's pretty poor on CCA's part.

"I do I do have one question though, why is CCA of Louisiana the only 501(C) entity in the entire country that refuses to publish it's finanicial statement on a yearly basis.have one question though, why is CCA of Louisiana the only 501(C) entity in the entire country that refuses to publish it's finanicial statement on a yearly basis."

What's the deal with that?

No one on here is against limits if there is a reason for it. And as far as going to complain at meetings, do you think no one did that before the limit was reduced? Yeah right. A lot of good that did. Everyone on here who thinks that a limit on triple tail isn't a big deal is ridiculous. It's just like the liberal goverment taking over and telling us what we can and can't do. Same concept

Can I have a hug??? BINGO we have the winner!!!!

[cgoods17]

what is this? the WWE? Cause Will Drost said so!!!

Do you people really think it is one man that can set limits to what HE thinks is considered to be right?

get out of here with that sh it..

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by cgoods17

what is this? the WWE? Cause Will Drost said so!!!

Do you people really think it is one man that can set limits to what HE thinks is considered to be right?

get out of here with that sh it..

[Duck Butter]

Imagine the things that could be done if everyone on this site that is vehemently against any changes would actually go to the meeting and let their message be known

Exactly the reason Barry O is still in office, everyone was mad but they just didn't voice their opinion in the right spot (at the polls)

[Top Dawg]

Originally Posted by Duck Butter

Imagine the things that could be done if everyone on this site that is vehemently against any changes would actually go to the meeting and let their message be known

Exactly the reason Barry O is still in office, everyone was mad but they just didn't voice their opinion in the right spot (at the polls)

I've been to the meetings. It's a waste of time.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by Top Dawg

I've been to the meetings. It's a waste of time.

The purpose of public meetings seems to be to claim after the fact that public meetings were held. The only scientific support for regulations changes you get at public meetings are a few oversimplified platitudes that might seem to make sense at the time, but usually only amount to unsupported claims that the regulatory proposal is a data driven necessity.

But the data and scientific reasons motivating any change really should be published in written and electronic form to be more carefully considered and assessed by independent parties. Otherwise, the public can't tell the difference between sound scientific validation and basing decisions on unvalidated opinions of a few purported "experts."

The triple tail regulations, the red snapper regulations, and the speckled trout regulations all seem to be based on unvalidated opinions of purported experts.

Conservation groups should be demanding better science before restricting access to resources that appear to be sufficiently abundant to allow greater or at least historical levels of access.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by cgoods17

what is this? the WWE? Cause Will Drost said so!!!

Do you people really think it is one man that can set limits to what HE thinks is considered to be right?

get out of here with that sh it..

Its comical yet sad that people think that

["W"]

Originally Posted by cgoods17

what is this? the WWE? Cause Will Drost said so!!!

Do you people really think it is one man that can set limits to what HE thinks is considered to be right?

get out of here with that sh it..

He was the hook n bull for 15trout limit!!! along with HR&G

[I make oil]

You absolutely DO have as say in that case Camp Canard. I was pointing out the differences in the estuaries and the fact that each state should regulate their resources with sound scientific data pertaining to the location. Not in a me too manner.

[noodle creek]

When and where is the next meeting. Lets all go. And ask "so if we don't put a limit on tripletail, do you honestly think they will be gone one day? And if you think that, simply tell me why and show me data." I'm a logical guy, prove to me why we need a limit and i'm all for it

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

When and where is the next meeting. Lets all go. And ask "so if we don't put a limit on tripletail, do you honestly think they will be gone one day? And if you think that, simply tell me why and show me data." I'm a logical guy, prove to me why we need a limit and i'm all for it

Its september 5th.. dont know the location though

[MathGeek]

The scientific method is based on skepticism and the demand that assertions be supported with published data and a methodology that allows both replication and review by others.

This is in contrast to believing in viewpoints based on the authority, education, or employment status of those espousing the view.

Responsible PhD Wildlife Professionals should know they need to back up proposed management actions with sound scientific data. Pushing major policy changes without sound scientific support diminishes their credibility. They would be on much more sound footing if they proposed to study the status of the stock with sound scientific methods and suggested delay of consideration of major policy changes until there was more data available.

[Duck Butter]

Originally Posted by MathGeek

The scientific method is based on skepticism and the demand that assertions be supported with published data and a methodology that allows both replication and review by others.

This is in contrast to believing in viewpoints based on the authority, education, or employment status of those espousing the view.

Responsible PhD Wildlife Professionals should know they need to back up proposed management actions with sound scientific data. Pushing major policy changes without sound scientific support diminishes their credibility. They would be on much more sound footing if they proposed to study the status of the stock with sound scientific methods and suggested delay of consideration of major policy changes until there was more data available.

Preaching to the choir on most that MG

["W"]

So in Africa today..

.La CCA guy took a visit to see how they controlled the Lion populations... When CCA ask how do you know where to set the limit on Lions, the African guy just looked and said we look extensive in other parts of the country.
CCA guy said we do the same thing with our fishing regulations, so what is your triple tail limit here? Confused African said what is a triple tail? CCA Guy: it’s that fish with 3 tails that floats under debris.
He says Ohhhh mate you speak of the fish we with 3tails .... We base our limits on extensive in other parts of the country.
The CCA guy comes back to Baton Rouge and gives a great detail of what he learned in Africa over his trip! When commissioner ask about the 3 tail limit and what we should do. He answered extensive in other parts of the country!
It’s the smart thing to do!

["W"]

Texas has the dumbest trout law of all...15inch min on trout...lmao

Keep all females and leave males in the water!! WINNING...

Maybe Texas could have a better trout program if they dropped that 15inch min down to a 12inch where you keep a better ratio male to female

[mr crab]

Originally Posted by "W"

Texas has the dumbest trout law of all...15inch min on trout...lmao

Keep all females and leave males in the water!! WINNING...

Maybe Texas could have a better trout program if they dropped that 15inch min down to a 12inch where you keep a better ratio male to female

agreed...bruh.

[southern151]

MathGeek, you need to be present at some of these meetings. Even though logic isn't always the best solution(in most political-type cases these days), your ability to speak and present facts, along with the extensive studies you have done would likely go a lot further than "It's my right to keep what I want!"

[AceArcher]

Originally Posted by southern151

MathGeek, you need to be present at some of these meetings. Even though logic isn't always the best solution(in most political-type cases these days), your ability to speak and present facts, along with the extensive studies you have done would likely go a lot further than "It's my right to keep what I want!"

THIS!!!!!!!!!


not only should it be MG, It needs to be everyone who gives a rat's posterior.

Like i said in the other thread, Policiticians listed to two things 1) Money 2) public opinion. Unless we have a Williams Gates Jr in our midst who is willing to finance our cause..... Then i suggest people start creating some public opinion.

Squeeky Wheels really do tend to get grease.

[MathGeek]

Originally Posted by southern151

MathGeek, you need to be present at some of these meetings. Even though logic isn't always the best solution(in most political-type cases these days), your ability to speak and present facts, along with the extensive studies you have done would likely go a lot further than "It's my right to keep what I want!"

I'm not much of a public speaker, but given time and google scholar, I can frame a decent scientific viewpoint.

I've corresponded with Jason Adriance in the past, and I could probably put together a decent case that there simply is not much scientific data showing the need to impose such a drastically lower limit on tripletail.

However, I think the bigger danger to LDWF is setting the precedent of managing by public opinion without sound scientific data. If Draconian regulations can be imposed without valid scientific support, then why will the legislature ever bother to spend the extra $$$ for good science to get the data?

W said it well. A decade from now, we'll all be wondering what happened when there are plenty of fish and we're wondering why the limit is 3 specks and one redfish.

If we want fisheries that suck as bad as Texas and Florida, then we should copy their regulations!