trout spawning?

[PaulMyers]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

i don't want to get off topic of this thread, but just once i want an explanation of why changing the limits to 15 fish and letting all the big trout go is better for our fishery than everyone keeping 25 and all the big fish they catch. it's just confusing to me that our limits got changed over here without a good explanation as to why it was done or why we needed a change. a few select people got their way with this, and there's no telling what will come next.

Sounds to me like you understand it completely!

["W"]

And bottom line is more smaller trout =more eggs ......how many of you are knocking down 8-9lb million egg carrying trout daily ????

Thank you


So more little trout left behind =more and more little trout to come....=more fish coming in than taken out= bigger fish leave due to over running little trout =back to 15 non scientific limit change so a hand full of once a month fisherman can get their way

[TheLongRun]

When did it change? Is it simply 15 instead of 25, but still 12"? Or did they put in one of the split size limits?

This isn't the first LDWF "political" decision, and it won't be the last.

[Ray]

Making Calcasieu Lake a "Trophy Lake", by name only, draws a lot more fishermen than when it was just Big Lake.
Now we got people from all over the country coming over here to catch our dinks.
There are big fish caught all over the state. Just we got the designation of a "Trophy Lake", the rest of the state doesn't.
It helps the guide business only. Not much else.
Before the change, there were 3 or 4 guide businesses, now there are many.
In my opinion, the fishermen who are suckers for the "Trophy Lake" thing are just that, suckers. They come here to catch 15 Trout, instead of 25 Trout at other La. fisheries.
If I were paying, I'd rather catch 25.

[eman]

Originally Posted by Ray

Making Calcasieu Lake a "Trophy Lake", by name only, draws a lot more fishermen than when it was just Big Lake.
Now we got people from all over the country coming over here to catch our dinks.
There are big fish caught all over the state. Just we got the designation of a "Trophy Lake", the rest of the state doesn't.
It helps the guide business only. Not much else.
Before the change, there were 3 or 4 guide businesses, now there are many.
In my opinion, the fishermen who are suckers for the "Trophy Lake" thing are just that, suckers. They come here to catch 15 Trout, instead of 25 Trout at other La. fisheries.
If I were paying, I'd rather catch 25.

Every fresh or salt lake in louisiana designated a "trophy " lake has been ruined by "someone" LDWF nor the PCPJ will admit to releasing non triploid carp into false river . But they are there by the hundreds of thousands. Not a blade of grass anywhere there. LDWF Won't admit that killing the grass in caney lake ruined it .
To many folks have a say in what goes on w/ both the fresh and salt water fisheries in La. The state pays Good money to hire fisheries biologist and then ignores them when it comes to fisheries questions.
When you let the people that live and work on a body of water tell you how to manage it's fish ,it will never amount to anything.

["W"]

15 trout limit is Big Lake Epic Fail and it is showing now.......


And the stupidest thing ever was the two over 24 or what ever it is...

Had anyone ever been checked and ask to measure there fish???? I have been checked 25 times since limit change easy and never asked about size....all guides I know have never been asked


No one I know has been asked and I don't even measure a trout unless its close to 12inch

[TheLongRun]

When you are getting checked, is it enforcement or just creel surveys? I have fished Barataria bay my whole life, and can probably count on my fingers how many times ive ever had my fish checked. Life jackets and such, sure. But it's extremely rare to get pulled over to check fish (and it's usually during snapper season). Man, big lake sounds like a real clusterfk.

[TheLongRun]

LSU has a speck expert. Almost all the articles published on the topic are authored by him, or cite him. I bet if you google it you can figure it out. Why don't y'all just email and ask if this is sound policy or not? Rather than getting information from politicians with agendas and/or locals with vested interests? Neither of those should be considered credible sources.

[TheLongRun]

Also, still curious how long it's been in effect. Anyone?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by TheLongRun

Also, still curious how long it's been in effect. Anyone?

I have been checking. The LDWF web site only had records back 2 years. I guess that is when they "upgraded" the web site.

I could not find anything on my computer. My old computer "crashed" and I lost a lot of my old information. My best guess is that the Trout limit on Big Lake was change in June of 2006.

[TheLongRun]

Thanks!

Yeah, they upgraded quite a few things about 2 years ago. That doesn't surprise me. So did NMFS and NOAA I believe...

It'd be interesting to get some actual data, pre and post, to see if the new limits had adversely affected the fishery. The sampling data is somewhere, just gotta find it. For all the passionate, and clearly feisty, people so emotionally invested in this issue... Facts are fun. Go find them!

If they reduced the limits on my lil piece of water, I'd be the first one beating down doors demanding answers to the simple questions.

[jchief]

BUT, what other factors besides limits come into play?????

How about number of fishermen, weirs, rain, wind, sunlight, etc etc etc

I don't beleive it is as simple as any of us would like it to be.

["W"]

Originally Posted by jchief

BUT, what other factors besides limits come into play?????

How about number of fishermen, weirs, rain, wind, sunlight, etc etc etc

I don't beleive it is as simple as any of us would like it to be.

One guide service , few lawyers ,few guys with money ,CCA power and u get what u want

[TheLongRun]

Yes, but if the only variable that has changed over multiple years long surveys is the limit (that's a big one, it's basically predatory pressure) you can at least draw basic conclusions. Would it hold up to peer review, probably not. But its not about being published, its about drawing common sense conclusions.

Things like the weather vary weekend to weekend. Month to month. Survey data isn't about who caught what, which weekend. It's about the state of the fishery over the long term.

[BROWN FIN]

Originally Posted by "W"

One guide service , few lawyers ,few guys with money ,CCA power and u get what u want

Agreed!!!

[Ray]

Calling it a Trophy Lake hurts our lake more than anything else.
When I say I fish on Big Lake, the folks on the East side of the state say something like, Oh yeah, ya'll got all them big Trout.
That attracts more fishermen.
The internet didn't help either.
I know HRG posts pictures of fish they didn't catch, and pictures of fish caught other years, and makes it look like they caught them this week.

["W"]

Originally Posted by Ray

I know HRG posts pictures of fish they didn't catch, and pictures of fish caught other years, and makes it look like they caught them this week.

Say it aint so...they pushed the 15 hard because half there guys can't catch 100 trout a day...

[BIG RED 1983]

25 trout limit in vb and still see and hear bigger fish caught in big lake is the reason because of location of big lake vs location of vb not trying to stir the pot i just know that some of you guys are a lot more informed about trout than i am

[meaux fishing]

Originally Posted by BIG RED 1983

25 trout limit in vb and still see and hear bigger fish caught in big lake is the reason because of location of big lake vs location of vb not trying to stir the pot i just know that some of you guys are a lot more informed about trout than i am

there are 7-9lb fish caught in VB just not as many because it doesnt stay as salty as big lake all year. Also people dont talk about em over there as much

[Ray]

Originally Posted by meaux fishing

there are 7-9lb fish caught in VB just not as many because it doesnt stay as salty as big lake all year. Also people dont talk about em over there as much

It's not a designated Trophy Lake. Consider yourself lucky.