trout spawning?

["W"]

TheLongRun...you should get ban for saying that but thanks for the new sig....

[TheLongRun]

You right, you right. I should not have said average. I should have said oldest recorded. I was way off. Based on ootholith records, the spotted sea trout has been known to live UP TO 18 years.

I also think the data supports (yours mine and others) that sexual maturity is more than one year from planktonic fry to harvestable fish.

[TheLongRun]

But if ya wanna ban me, that'd be pretty funny!

[mikedatiger]

Originally Posted by "W"

http://www.seagrantfish.lsu.edu/pdfs...ckledtrout.pdf

http://www.txsaltwaterfishingguides....acts/Trout.htm

Area research shows our trout live approximately 7-9 years with a growth rate of about ½ lb. per year with growth possibly slowing in the 3rd year to approximately ¼ lb. per year.

This can't be right as it would put the "average" 8 year old trout at less than 3lbs…
Age Weight Gain/Yr Cumulative Weight
1 0.5 0.5
2 0.5 1
3 0.5 1.5
4 0.25 1.75
5 0.25 2
6 0.25 2.25
7 0.25 2.5
8 0.25 2.75

Even at a half pound per year you only reach 4lbs at year 8.

["W"]

It said after 1st 3 years its half pound and that is going to differ from estuary

[noodle creek]

haha i knew this would turn into an argument as soon as W made the statement about not hurting anything to keep a big one. someone always has to get upset. i swear the people that complain about keeping big trout are probably liberals. i mean what are we gonna do when we keep all the big ones and there's no more trout in the lake?

[TheLongRun]

Huh? What on earth led you to that conclusion? I thought we were discussing growth rates of trout? I think we can all agree that size limits are based on sexual maturity. Meaning it's legal to take. The debate isnt about "liberals" trying to stop you from keeping that big fish. If they make 12 inches, fry em. If they are huge, mount em.

[SULPHITE]

Originally Posted by TheLongRun

If they are huge, mount em.

[TheLongRun]

Originally Posted by SULPHITE

See, now THAT is signature worthy.

["W"]

Here is the deal....1 don't keep big trout (only because their not the good eating ones)

Now that the limits are 15 trout per person it don't matter if you keep every trout you catch because you killed the big trout system with that limit change

So all the big trout guys who wanted the 15 trout limit should be happy happy happy that you will never see 5 9-10lb trout caught during the Star again...

[TheLongRun]

Really does suck about the 15 limit. Still 25 on my piece of water.

[noodle creek]

Originally Posted by cmdrost

From TX wildlife and Fisheries site:

"A female spotted seatrout may spawn several times during the season. Younger females may release 100,000 eggs and older, larger females may release a million eggs. Recent studies indicate that spotted seatrout spawn between dusk and dawn and usually within coastal bays, estuaries and lagoons. They prefer shallow grassy areas where eggs and larvae have some cover from predators. "

Also answers worm question in other thread:

"Some trout caught may have worms embedded in the flesh along the backbone. These "spaghetti" worms are larval stages of a tapeworm that can only reach maturity in sharks. The worms cannot survive in man even if the seatrout is eaten raw. The worms can easily be removed when the fish is cleaned to make the meat more appealing. The spotted seatrout is a member of the croaker family (Sciaenidae) and is a first cousin to the Atlantic croaker, red drum, black drum, and sand seatrout."

larger females may release a million eggs. something like this comes up everytime

[TheLongRun]

It would be interesting to see if there is data available about the viability of the spawn, based on eggs released.

I still don't think the "liberals" are after your fish though

[noodle creek]

i don't want to get off topic of this thread, but just once i want an explanation of why changing the limits to 15 fish and letting all the big trout go is better for our fishery than everyone keeping 25 and all the big fish they catch. it's just confusing to me that our limits got changed over here without a good explanation as to why it was done or why we needed a change. a few select people got their way with this, and there's no telling what will come next.

[PaulMyers]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

i don't want to get off topic of this thread, but just once i want an explanation of why changing the limits to 15 fish and letting all the big trout go is better for our fishery than everyone keeping 25 and all the big fish they catch. it's just confusing to me that our limits got changed over here without a good explanation as to why it was done or why we needed a change. a few select people got their way with this, and there's no telling what will come next.

Sounds to me like you understand it completely!

["W"]

Originally Posted by noodle creek

i don't want to get off topic of this thread, but just once i want an explanation of why changing the limits to 15 fish and letting all the big trout go is better for our fishery than everyone keeping 25 and all the big fish they catch. it's just confusing to me that our limits got changed over here without a good explanation as to why it was done or why we needed a change. a few select people got their way with this, and there's no telling what will come next.

You want to know why it got changed......
Jack Lawton, Jr., Bob Bush, Gus Schram III,

["W"]

And bottom line is more smaller trout =more eggs ......how many of you are knocking down 8-9lb million egg carrying trout daily ????

Thank you


So more little trout left behind =more and more little trout to come....=more fish coming in than taken out= bigger fish leave due to over running little trout =back to 15 non scientific limit change so a hand full of once a month fisherman can get their way

[TheLongRun]

When did it change? Is it simply 15 instead of 25, but still 12"? Or did they put in one of the split size limits?

This isn't the first LDWF "political" decision, and it won't be the last.

[Ray]

Making Calcasieu Lake a "Trophy Lake", by name only, draws a lot more fishermen than when it was just Big Lake.
Now we got people from all over the country coming over here to catch our dinks.
There are big fish caught all over the state. Just we got the designation of a "Trophy Lake", the rest of the state doesn't.
It helps the guide business only. Not much else.
Before the change, there were 3 or 4 guide businesses, now there are many.
In my opinion, the fishermen who are suckers for the "Trophy Lake" thing are just that, suckers. They come here to catch 15 Trout, instead of 25 Trout at other La. fisheries.
If I were paying, I'd rather catch 25.

[eman]

Originally Posted by Ray

Making Calcasieu Lake a "Trophy Lake", by name only, draws a lot more fishermen than when it was just Big Lake.
Now we got people from all over the country coming over here to catch our dinks.
There are big fish caught all over the state. Just we got the designation of a "Trophy Lake", the rest of the state doesn't.
It helps the guide business only. Not much else.
Before the change, there were 3 or 4 guide businesses, now there are many.
In my opinion, the fishermen who are suckers for the "Trophy Lake" thing are just that, suckers. They come here to catch 15 Trout, instead of 25 Trout at other La. fisheries.
If I were paying, I'd rather catch 25.

Every fresh or salt lake in louisiana designated a "trophy " lake has been ruined by "someone" LDWF nor the PCPJ will admit to releasing non triploid carp into false river . But they are there by the hundreds of thousands. Not a blade of grass anywhere there. LDWF Won't admit that killing the grass in caney lake ruined it .
To many folks have a say in what goes on w/ both the fresh and salt water fisheries in La. The state pays Good money to hire fisheries biologist and then ignores them when it comes to fisheries questions.
When you let the people that live and work on a body of water tell you how to manage it's fish ,it will never amount to anything.