Is it Conservation or Greed?
 

I have been biting the tongue on this issue for a long time, but I have to let it out to feel better. I know this will not set well on some but I’m just speaking what I think is the truth in my eyes.

I’m really tired of money and politics playing a role in our fishing. I’m sick of hearing on the street that Big Lake needs to do this and needs to do that ,but yet don’t see a sole out doing a damn thing!

We have guys who catch big trout wading and take pictures and walk tall and proud that they released a 9lb trout. They drive up to Baton Rouge to meet the Governor to fight and push limits on our lakes. They act like they are conservationist but are they???

I’m out on that lake spending my money and my gas to learn about trout on my own. I tag trout and reds all year long to help all of us learn. I bet if records were pulled up the guys who are running to Baton Rouge to push limit on something have not stuck a damn tag in it! There are guys who wade and take picks of trout to release. Fine no problem with that but don’t call yourself a conservationist! Tags are free so tag those big trout and let’s see some research. Let’s see who is going to catch them again. Let’s get some feedback. I don’t want to hear it’s hard to tag when wading.......If you can take a PIc of a trout in the water you can stick a tag in it..(Bottom line) I think it comes to Greed that one would not tag a fish when given the change but yet push for a limit on a fish he is not helping research. I may be wrong and just think different don’t know.

But pull my tagging records and numbers let’s compare them to the so called fishing politics....


IF this makes you feel guilty you probably are!;)

Sorry but I needed that off my chest.......Have a Great Day:D

Me and J.W (fishmaster911) talked about this.
I'd rather tag and release than i would keep, honestly. Every now and then i like to keep. But i much rather tag and release. Granite I don't get to tag and release every trout i catch because of the few i fish that actually tag, but yeah.
J.W is the same way.
BUt we did talk about this.

I don't tag. And I don't like to take pics, but I don't like hearing crybabies say,
"no pic, it didn't happen", so I take a pic here and there.
I finally got a phone with a camera on it cause of SC.

well said fool ! tagging is one of the ways i will learn more about trout and reds ! i dont have to come home with a limit of fish every time i go fishing to be happy ! i just love to fish and learn more and more every time i go ! i also take home fish to eat but i dont have a freezer full !

Ray your not running to BR to push a limit. Your out fishing to catch and eat fish. Thats fine and Im for you a 100%

Tagging
 

Jeremy, I contacte WLF about 6 years ago when I was really marsh fishing and catcing tons of reds and wanted to get involved in the tagging program. After not receiving anything for 3 weeks, I called again and was told it would be coming and still have not recieved anything.

Maumus Claverie, Jr.
3rd Floor , Union Street
New Orleans, LA 70118
Phone: 800-567-2182
E-mail: maumusjr@aol.com

He will hook you up if you want tags
http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/fishing...ontact_us.html

I will predict the future, Chas will jump all over this post around 8-8:30 am.

W the person who caught and released a 9lber is not a conservationist, but you are because you tag fish? :spineyes:

I think its great you tag fish, but that alone doesnt make you a conservationist. IMO

You are also assuming that the 9lb angler has never tagged.


Must have been a good board meeting:D

yea
 

Kinda the same thing I was thinking. I feel the same way about ppl that know nothing about fishing, pushing the laws for fishing. But in all honesty tagging is not going to conserve resources. It will provide good data to maybe plan limits and stuff years down the road, but a conservationist is someone who works to conserve resources. so yea the guy who lets a 9 lb trout go is a conservationist. Now if he is going to do that then yea why not put a tag in it just for later records. but to say he isn't a conservationist, I have to disagree.

i feel that anyone that releases a fish, tags a fish, picks up a piece a trash that wasn't thiers, keeps only the fish they are gonna eat instead of just to say they limited. is a conservationist. Now is there are different levels, yes. you could do all of this or just part. doing one and not the other don't mean that you are better than someone else.

I also feel that just because you like to catch your fish one way don't mean that all the others are wrong. To push for a law to make everyone else change because you don't like there methods is wrong. Now on the flip side if there is evidence (not personal feelings) that something is hurting the population or something then by all means lets change. If we keep pushing for new laws we gonna push ourselfs in a corner and one day we gonna wake up and only be able to fish out of a nonmotorized boat ten thousand feet from any structure with cane poles and artificial bait only.


just my 2 cents

bingo
 

Well said my friend. I like to think I'm a conservation because I never get my limit:(

don't feel bad i don't either:cry:

:rotfl::rotfl: He didn't show. This goes down for gayest post of the year.

Might qualify as the gayest thread of the year.

Maybe I profiled waders only because they catch bigger trout! Its anyone who supports things but don't investigate and research!

I understand a guide does not have anytime to tag and release trout! I understand lots of people who just fish for food will never want to tag trout. Thats fine!

There is a hand full of guys that fish about the same amount of time i do!

This is my option and like I said if it offends you im sorry


Chas........ Since this is the gayest post of the year........LOL

One question and you know the real answer!

The 15 trout limit was pushed but Politics and Money with NO written evidence!

Also on a good note! Big Lake is the most protected saltwater body in LA and has more benefits than any other place
POLITICS AND MONEY


Like I said........I'm not talking about one person or persons......I'm talking about a whole! My Opinion!

"One question and you know the real answer!

The 15 trout limit was pushed but Politics and Money with NO written evidence!"

Absolutely without a doubt WRONG!!! I was there, you weren't. Biologist wanted to reduce it to 10!

Also, how can a conservationist be greedy??? Those 2 terms totally contradict each other.

W.....where is all this coming from right now???

Just talking with one of my guide buddies and hearing some of the BS that is being talk about from some higher powers! That probably never caught a trout with out a guide

Chas I never saw any info to the public that supported this from the Biologist? Is there any public paperwork or proof?

Chas, he's a post whore. :smokin:

:shaking::shaking::shaking:

I don't understand what is the problem with 15 fish? My god is this the only way you can feed your family is with speckled trout?

I love the 15trout limit....... I was not for it but I agree with it.

Here is the deal! I talk with some guys who dont get on the internets and post things but they are out on the water 260 days a year! Now they talk about the samethings I said above! Nobody was pointing out one person or persons!

Chas said where does greed come in at.......Ok here is where it comes in...

TRIPLE TAIL. We don't know a damn thing about them! they only show up at certain times of the year. And with out any research or evidence......BAM that easy......we place a limit

Contradiction abounds. :smokin:

"TRIPLE TAIL. We don't know a damn thing about them! they only show up at certain times of the year. And with out any research or evidence......BAM that easy......we place a limit "

MS & TX have very good data on triple tail. It is not LDWF fault they do not have the funding to study the species better. How is it a problem to borrow neighboring states data to help protect this fish until more data can be obtained? You say they only show up certain times a year. How do you know that with a limit protection on them, they might start showing up more, they might move further inshore to spawn like they do in other states. OR they might not....who knows.

Like MedHeavy said in another post somewhere. "man left to his free will, will decimate this planet and all of its resources."

I'm not understanding your logic?

Salty...

Give me your input on triple tail.? My input was I really thought they was going to research a little before. Slamming a limit in place!

Here is one limit I want to see in place...raise length from 12 to 14 inches on trout

You mother lovin' texan! :eek:

Sorry can't resist,

then you would never catch your limit W.

My logic was simple... I made it in my post.....

More need to get involved in research and put some effort into more than a opinion

Research = $$$

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Tags are FREE........... :rolleyes:

i tagged a 6 pound trout, so BAM. Am i a conservationist now??? lol

only cause you TAGGED...

Triple tail research...

I tagged something yesterday about 100 lbs that smelled like a trout!! I'm a conservationist too!!! Oh wait, nevermind, I ate it......

both of these were tagged by moi. 2.8 pound and 6 pound. thank ya.

Yall are missing the point..I'm not saying that if you dont tag a trout your not a conservations.......I'm saying if your going to go to Baton Rouge to push limits and write articles and talk a good game.....

Then yes you should also get out and tag some fish for research........If its trout,Triple Tail or redfish...

You can be a conservationist in many ways! I'm just talking about a small % of people who push for laws and write articles but I don't see there research as a individual....

that's my point.

Lets use this for example!!! ........ Ok.. Im going to write a article that thinks we need to place a limit on white trout!......I say because we have no limt some guys are loading up 100.s of these fish. I think were going to fish them out!! Lets vote do you want a limit on white trout yes or no.

Now if i would write that I would of placed about 200-300 tags in white trout to see how many are being recaptured to see what the time frame of growth and travel......I would not just push a issues with out helping find the problem myself

Here is one limit I want to see in place...raise length from 12 to 14 inches on trout[/QUOTE]

I agree with w on this one ! I would also like to see a 15 trout limit state wide ! !

call me stupid or whatever, but I dont see how tagging a trout is such a great step in research anyway. to me all thats doin is showing you travel patterns and such. I dont see how thats giving good hard data on fish population to adjust limits anyway.

can someone explain how this helps so much.

I know it provides info on certain things but how does it prove anything about reproduction and population size

You just happen to beat everyone else to it.....:*****:

I agree with w on this one ! I would also like to see a 15 trout limit state wide ! ![/QUOTE]

I have a feeling its coming.

As far as tagging goes. It helps determine movement patterns and growth.

I tend to agree with W in the min size increase. The fact that it takes the males longer to grow to that size is what is holding it back. The fear is that at 14", you'd be taking too many females out of the breeding stock.

In all honesty, has anyone ever caught one of these so called "Tagged Trout"........On the average between my uncle fishing BL in his boat and me fishing BL with him in my boat plus others fishing with us I bet we likely catch all together at least 500 or so trout. BTW me, him plus anyone fishing with us has never caught a so called "TAGGED TROUT" either.....

Also, if you catch one of these TAGGED TROUT is there something special you should do with it besides EAT it?????

I have a feeling its coming.

As far as tagging goes. It helps determine movement patterns and growth.

I tend to agree with W in the min size increase. The fact that it takes the males longer to grow to that size is what is holding it back. The fear is that at 14", you'd be taking too many females out of the breeding stock.[/QUOTE]



so are you saying that this could have a neg affect if you raise the min size limit.

also what is ya'lls reasoning for wanting to raise the limit

so are you saying that this could have a neg affect if you raise the min size limit.

also what is ya'lls reasoning for wanting to raise the limit[/QUOTE]


Not going to happen......15 fish limit and 14" slot size. To many powerful guides that fish the East side to let this happen.

I have a whole folder sitting here in my office with recaptured tags! A few recaptured twice! Does it work yes....

still
 

work to do what though. I mean when you get them how does that help you determine fish population? I mean far as I can tell all you getting from these tags are, this fish was caught X miles from where it was tagged and this fish has grown X amount of inches/pounds. Well you already know that the fish is going to grow so that information to me is useless because fish growth information has been around for many, many years so its not like by tagging trout for size reference, you are helping out cutting edge technology.

"Also, if you catch one of these TAGGED TROUT is there something special you should do with it besides EAT it????? "

RELEASE IT!!! Like you said, tagged fish make up such a minority of the stock. Release them and hope for multiple captures to be reported to help better determine movement patterns and growth rate.

True, but......

Redfish have been know to migrate more. Tagging records indicate it. Fish tagged in Big Lake and recaptured in TX, etc.....

Many are trying to find out if trout do the same. Nobody really knows for sure. But it seems to be most trout are estuary specific, and don't roam the waters like redfish. This is one of the primary purpose of trout tagging.

Like you said, the trout taged #'s are so little, thats why more people should get envolved and tag trout.

No saying it is not a good idea. All I stated was I nor anyone else I know that fishes BL has never caught one. Naturally besides W, has anyone else or someone you know ever caught one...