CWD and proposed ban.
 

No one is talking about this...

Unless a person is wanting a mount, I don't see it as big of an issue. I normally bring my deer home from a "trip" cut up and ready for the freezer or grinder.

But I'm not a big out of state deer hunter. I know the outfitters in Texas are upset and understandably so.

Then I also think there will be a bunch of hunters that completely ignore the possible regulation and continue status quo.

I hunt in texas and deer can only be quartered. So its gonna be diffucult trying to debone front sholders and neck meat and keep it in whole qtrs

With as big an issue CWD is becoming, I say go for it. We don't need that stuff here.

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It's the whole principle of a law being shoved down our throats with zero reasoning behind it. I don't deer hunt much either, but if I do it will be in Texas, and I don't feel like there's any reason to have to go through the trouble of caping deer and deboning them. The border is an imaginary line, not a fence, and the whole CWD has little to know merit behind it having ever destroyed any deer herds.

I would think some local businesses will feel it too. Taxidermists and processors.

https://www.texasdeerassociation.com...on-of-hunting/

^What's your opinion on this article smalls?

It's stupid. Deer don't know what state they are in. A diseased deer in Arkansas can walk right into Louisiana Deer from the other states would have to swim across some big rivers

Yep. Just more typical LA commish junk.

It's written by Ted Nugent. That's all I need to know.

No offense to Uncle Ted, but the guy is no biologist. I mean, the guy says it was "created" by a beaurocrat, then cites actual cases. And the fact that he claims no "honest conservationist" would believe it is an insult to every biologist.

He calls it a scam the entire time, but to what end? He sure doesn't produce any theory in that regard, except to cite a video by a deer farmer. The disease was created and released to get rid of deer farms? Really?

And on that note, Don't even get me started on the legality of deer farms. I've never been a fan of them, because they are completely against the North American Model of wildlife management.

But to think that something was hatched up 50 years ago to try and wipe out deer farms is ridiculous. If that were the case, then man, they sure did have a long term plan with multiple generations of biologists involved. Or maybe they were just so good at what they did, they didn't have to get them in on it. The biologists were just doing their jobs, all the while playing into the hands of those that wanted to end deer farming.

OH MY GOD, THEY DISCOVERED IT IN A LAB!! Do these morons realize that damn near ever new disease is discovered in a lab?! Sheesh.

Long story short, I think that article is rubish. I've followed Uncle Ted long enough to know that he has tunnel vision and cannot be convinced of anything that is against what he believes. And he believes that government shouldn't be mettling in anything, especially wildlife management.

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Colorado has supposedly had it bad for 40/50 years now and I'm pretty sure they have thriving elk and mule deer herds, with the whitetails starting to expand as well. It's a big destination state for big game hunters from all over the country and many of them probably drive their harvested animals back to whatever state they came from. Why isn't it all over the country now?

I don't know much about it, but from what I've read there doesn't seem to be a single person who can give a logical, scientific answer as to why this law needs to be passed.

Can anyone explain how it has spread from beyond Colorado? No, but they do know it is carried within the brain and nervous system. And that it is transmittable. Reasonable cause to suspect that it could have been spread through the transport of carcasses or live animals. So, by preventing the importation of those tissues, they can at least attempt to prevent entry into the state. I don't believe the issue is that it will wipe out a whole deer herd, and anyone that claims so has no real proof to stand on. But, once it is in a herd, there is little chance of eradicating it.

Maybe you don't lose a lot of deer to it, but with the deer herd we have, is that a chance we want to take? We already discuss the negative effects of flooding on a damn-near yearly basis. Do we want this disease here too?

I'm not saying the regulation is perfect. I'm saying we need some form of it to prolong the lack of CWD in the state. It is not knocking at our borders yet. Why let it in from thousands of miles away when its not even at our own door yet?

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Last year when it flooded every redneck around was standing on the nearest levee pilin em up to the sky. Seems like thats more detrimental to a herd than a chance one might get sick.

Also, it has been documented in 22 states, with 20 of those being in wild herds. Also in 2 Canadian Provinces.

No doubt the unethical hunting behavior of some of our "brethren" doesn't help, but why is it that we will do everything in our power to prevent or extirpate a disease in humans, but not make every effort to do so in a game population?

It is ironic that hunters have tried for centuries to create as much opportunity to hunt game as possible, going to such lengths as extirpating predators, but now are not concerned about a disease that has spread across the continent in 50 years. Mind you, a deer did not travel from Colorado to New York on its own, yet CWD is there.

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Do you eat beef,chicken,pork?? There full of crap that comes from over seas meat ,yet they keep opening up new trade deal's while everyone's shutdowning our meat going out!!! But your worried about a few deer !!!!

That attitude is the problem. This attitude of "Oh, we let it in from overseas in our store-bought, no reason to protect our resources". Maybe I like my wild meat disease-free.

Get out of here with that ridiculous argument. Can't believe you would even compare domestic meat to wild meat.

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Domestic meat was once wild!!! Wild meat moves where and when it wants, so it's easy to see were it would spread easy, it has been around way before your time and it will be around way after your time!!

Deer don't move from Colorado to Louisiana on their own, buddy. Plenty of studies have proven that fact.

But keep preaching that complacent mindset.

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I killed a deer in lacassine that was banded in Kansas. So u saying its the flyway difference?

you cant be serious, that deer was obviously relocated, it DID NOT WALK from Kansas to Louisiana , if you think that they do, that's SCARY

Then why are they relocating deer from other states if theres a problem with CWD? Illuminati???

Hahaha

Deer are going extinct, a hurricane is coming to LA, and Hillary is going to jail.

You serious Clark?

I figure since people will fall for a fake disease I might as well keep it going with some other tall tales.

Really not a big deal
Who in the hell will follow this are enforce it ?

I mean unless WLF is on I-10 like border patrol it will matter zero

Personally I never seen a WLF agent on 1-10

Uncle Ted, is that you?

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You must have been utilizing the "bouncing doe bleat" technique.

LOL , exactly, hunted in a BIG SOUTH WIND and hit the call!

obviously the deer wasn't born yesterday, could have been a handful of years old

google how much whitetail travel, most common answer is "It is not uncommon for a whitetail deer to live out most of it's life in a 1 square mile area." Rut will take them further but i promise you not from Kansas to LA, i mean c'mon man.

Dude, he's yanking your chain...

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I haven't either but I have seen them on the over passes in Oklahoma looking in the back of people's vehicles as they pass during deer season and pulling them over.

TOP DAWG!!!!!!!!!!! You weren't sposed to tell nobody about dat bouncing doe bleat!!!!!!!!!!!!!:pissed:

Yeah dat guy is gut hooked worse I ever seen.

its the old adage 'better safe than sorry'. CWD is a badass problem that we don't have here in Louisiana and should do everything reasonable to keep it out. it has been discovered in Texas and bringing hundreds of deer carcasses from Texas to Louisiana absolutely increases the chances of bringing it here. I hunt near Llano every year and it is an inconvenience, but ask managers in Texas, Colorado etc if they wish they have been more strict or had not listened to folks like Nugent. Just because he is unwavering in his right to keep hunting his right doesn't mean his is a hero, objective, reasonable etc. He is single minded and everyone who tries to regulate him in any way is a communist in his eyes. Re: Texas outfitters and taxidermists, they will actually get more work. I typically bring my head back to Louisiana and do a European mount or something. I won't be able to do that this year, but rather will have to have it done on Texas, so the Texas taxidermist will get my work that I typically bring back home to my locals.

Ted Nugent said this is a fake disease and it's never done any harm. I will take his word for it. I've never known him to be wrong on anything. He is an authority

http://www.thepastcast.com/wp-conten...roll-dolls.jpg

This must be your family portrait.

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Uncle Ted is sometimes sarcastic, sometimes he isn't but he often presents facts that can't be denied. However, there is a documentary in there by Keith Warren, someone who is not so "single minded" as yall would say.

BTW, has CWD ever destroyed a deer herd? Has it come anywhere close to wiping out deer populations like EHD or blue tongue has?

Why are we still balling it CWD? It's fake. It doesn't exist like obamas birth certificate and global warming

that's right!! Hunting so good in la. Why would anyone want to come to tx. To hunt?? It is a real deal, only thing/heards its killing is the "game fenced ranches" !! But them deer are so inbreed just to get horns, they wouldn't ever make it outside the fence!!

It has and will away be around, before your grandparents and after your grandparents, it's coming to light cause of the high fenced places !! Do any of yall have westnile ?? Same thing fear !!! And more control....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=...&v=1_ltc3dNsPk

Smalls and everyone else who thinks CWD might even have the smallest chance of ruiningour deer hunting please watch this video and come back with opinions after watching.

Just want honest opinions.

I was already a believer that this was a fake disease when Uncle Ted said it, but now we have the truth from deer farmers. They know more than Ted does, which says a lot

Again it's not a problem yes white tail get get moved around, so what's the problem ? It's nothing new!! Did anyone in Rio get zijie.. no it's all bull s.....

Amen brother. Zila was another fake disease made up to put fear in people

You should probably read earlier in this thread where I addressed Ted's article as well as this video.

These people want to talk about the constitution being violated and deer being private property. Deer are not private property. Wildlife is not private property. The land those deer are on may be private, but the deer are not. Wildlife is a Public Trust...no one owns it.

Keith Warren, just like other people in that video, is a deer farmer. He does not have the public's interest at heart. He only has his and other wildlife horders' interests at heart.

The only thing that should be of "great concern" to anyone after watching this video is that Mr. Warren views wildlife as private property. This is not feudal Europe...wildlife cannot be owned by the rich or royal here. That is specifically why we have the Public Trust Doctrine.



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I think you're trying to stretch this, and not everyone in there was a deer farmer. The whole private property thing was a small part of it. He was simply telling us about the (and yes it is pretty unconstitutional) story of a government agency quarantining private property for no reason. I guess you'reokay with that too though.

How bout the fact that the herds in the wild that have CWD have actually grown in size? What about all of the other facts about CWD, not private property, that were discussed? Looks like as far as I can tell there is no way to stop it, and it is a tiny tiny threat to deer herds compared to other things. This thread is about CWD and carrying deer across borders, not private property.

I hope you can agree that what the DNR did in Iowa was wrong, and the way that CWD was treated is Wisconsin was an extreme overreaction that didnway more damage than CWD ever would.

Who is to gain from CWD? Like stated in the video, I think it's pretty hard to argue the fact that at one point it was such a big deal that it negatively affected deer hunting.

What about zijie?

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Never said I agreed with the Fed quarantining a property. Then again, if it is a potentially deadly disease (not referring to any disease in particular), then it may be warranted. I'm not sure CWD is that disease, but if we can prevent any disease from getting into our deer herd, I'm for it.

You point out that this thread is about carrying deer across borders and not private property. Then why post that video, which was created by deer farmers?

You asked the million dollar question that none of these people can answer...if it is some concocted disease, what is the end goal?

Answer that.

Hey, I guess the Norwegians are in on it, too.

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It's fake. Like Ebola and bird flu. Government tries to scare us with it and then it magically goes away.