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duckman1911 07-02-2015 06:22 PM

Legit Police Shooting
 
I'm glad these officers got to go home. Body cam video of an actual shooting so consider yourself warned. Angles from both officers.


https://youtu.be/0V9AOsWQzpc https://youtu.be/kSiqfM2GR4E

duckman1911 07-02-2015 06:40 PM

Not sure if I did the links correctly. This video shows a guy get shot so if you open it you know what you are getting into. If the video doesn't work just go to youtube and search Sgt. Green camera footage. You can also watch it from his partners angle. Sgt. Green is a very tactical officer. Not only can he shoot well he does one extremely smart thing. Who notices what he does?

Goooh 07-02-2015 07:46 PM

That was awesome. No questions on this one, exactly why LEOs should strike until every last one is outfitted with a camera.

Matt G 07-02-2015 07:47 PM

2 things: moves the knifes out of easy reach on the table, and when ol boy drew he grabbed his arm to allow his partner to get the draw on him. And he managed to beat her on the draw too.

This just shows the ridiculous crap police officers have to deal with. It's a job I would love to do, but don't believe I would be level headed enough to do.

marty f 07-02-2015 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 761967)
. Who notices what he does?

I saw two things.

1. The knife on the table he pushes aside and turns and watches his partner and the perp.

2. Outside he stays behind the perp and when a gun is produced he grabs the guys head and directs him away, control the head, controls the body.

duckman1911 07-02-2015 08:02 PM

Good eyes. I'll hammer a police officer that gets trigger happy but I will also be very thankful for an officer that is smart and does what he has to if it has to be done. I am very glad these two officers get to go home to their family.

Matt G 07-02-2015 08:09 PM

You have to commend the female officer for bringing it outside. It looked like the male officer wanted to question the guy right outside of the bathroom. That could have been bad for patrons in the restaurant.

Mako19 07-02-2015 08:15 PM

That was very intense.

Do ya'll think this guy was intentionally committing "police suicide" or was he trying to shoot the officers?

It's hard to believe that he wasn't able to get even one shot off but now that you pointed out how the male officer directed his head away it makes more sense.

Also, it looked to me like the female office grabbed the man's arm (or tried to) when he pulled his weapon instead of turning away from him. This prevented him from extending his arm to aim and fire at her. This action that she did instinctively probably saved her life.

I would imagine one's first move when they see a gun drawn on them would be to turn away and not try to grab at it. It looks to me like they were both well trained.

And the male officer made a few great shots when he opens fire. Actually, one of the first 2 or 3 shots looked like they turned off the perp's light switch.

duckman1911 07-02-2015 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mako19 (Post 761991)
That was very intense.

Do ya'll think this guy was intentionally committing "police suicide" or was he trying to shoot the officers?

It's hard to believe that he wasn't able to get even one shot off but now that you pointed out how the male officer directed his head away it makes more sense.

Also, it looked to me like the female office grabbed the man's arm (or tried to) when he pulled his weapon instead of turning away from him. This prevented him from extending his arm to aim and fire at her. This action that she did instinctively probably saved her life.

I would imagine one's first move when they see a gun drawn on them would be to turn away and not try to grab at it. It looks to me like they were both well trained.

And the male officer made a few great shots when he opens fire. Actually, one of the first 2 or 3 shots looked like they turned off the perp's light switch.

Have watched this many times and have had trouble reading this guys true intent. He was no threat inside the restaraunt and I really think he had plenty of time to shoot. Kinda torn on that. I do believe the officers acted as they should have. I would have done the same without hesitation.

marty f 07-02-2015 08:43 PM

Think about this.............

This A** crack was in TGIFs (or the like) where we ALL GO to eat with our families. We where at Olive garden tonight, someone like this could have been there

This is why you should always carry!

Matt G 07-02-2015 08:51 PM

Read that it was a BB gun he had. That tells me it was 100% suicide by cop.

Clampy 07-02-2015 09:12 PM

Good shootin

duckman1911 07-02-2015 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 762009)
Read that it was a BB gun he had. That tells me it was 100% suicide by cop.

Haven't seen that but wouldn't doubt it. After watching the video lots of times I do think you are correct. Cops fired 12 shots. 9 by the male officer and 3 by the female officer. I believe they were 100% accurate in their decision. 4 seconds from gun drawn by bad guy to first shot fired by officer. I can put 4 rounds on a 12"x14" plate per second. If he wanted to shoot he had plenty of time. He could have started inside but was easily escorted outside. I think suicide could be the case.

marty f 07-03-2015 06:53 AM

Maybe it wasn't cop suicide............

"James Bushey, 47 (left), was apprehended by cops in the bathroom of the chain restaurant in Palestine, Texas, on May 31. He had reportedly stolen a case of beer from a nearby Walmart. Bushey - whom toxicology reports say was 20 times over the drink-drive limit"

dosent add up, cop suicide. Why go to wally word steal beer, then to applebees. Im betting he used the BB gun at wally word to take the beer, was so smashed by the time the cops found him and in his stupor thought he could bluff the cops too..... never the less, stupid is as stupid does

barbarian 07-03-2015 08:15 AM

It was a BB gun and if you watch again, the woman LEO pulls her taser first and then switches to her gun. I thought suicide to, but if he was that drunk it could have been just a stupid decision.

Mako19 07-03-2015 08:29 AM

Talk about a bad decision while you are drunk, huh? I have made many regrettable decisions while drunk but this one tops the cake.

Spunt Drag 07-03-2015 08:56 AM

Not having a safety to click off in that situation was nice.

duckman1911 07-03-2015 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunt Drag (Post 762054)
Not having a safety to click off in that situation was nice.

A safety doesn't slow down a shooter that knows how to use their weapon. I do love my Glock and XD but my 1911 was my competition gun and I never felt that my times were slower due to the safety. I was actually faster with my 1911 than either my Glock or XD.

southern151 07-03-2015 09:16 AM

This dude should have listened to George Thourogood and, drank alone!

Great discipline by the officers and, awesome way to move the confrontation (even if it would have been minor) away from patrons.

Renegade 07-03-2015 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 762058)
A safety doesn't slow down a shooter that knows how to use their weapon. I do love my Glock and XD but my 1911 was my competition gun and I never felt that my times were slower due to the safety. I was actually faster with my 1911 than either my Glock or XD.

True. The safety is clicked off as you're bringing the gun on target. There is no time lost with a practiced shooter.

Goooh 07-03-2015 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Renegade (Post 762062)
True. The safety is clicked off as you're bringing the gun on target. There is no time lost with a practiced shooter.


Then why have it if it's clicked off as you are bringing it to target?

How many Glocks have gone off while holstered due to not having a safety?

duckman1911 07-03-2015 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 762064)
Then why have it if it's clicked off as you are bringing it to target?

How many Glocks have gone off while holstered due to not having a safety?

There was a guy that used to shoot matches with a club I was in and he shot himself through the calve while holstering his Glock. Granted it was operator error that caused the incident not the gun or holster. It didn't happen at our match it happened while he was at work. LE and shooting a qualification course.

Spunt Drag 07-03-2015 10:43 AM

I and probably 90% of the population aren't as skilled as you are. If I'm wrestling with a drunken idiot, dodging his muzzle, all while trying to draw my own weapon, I don't want to be fumbling with a safety.

duckman1911 07-03-2015 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunt Drag (Post 762074)
I and probably 90% of the population aren't as skilled as you are. If I'm wrestling with a drunken idiot, dodging his muzzle, all while trying to draw my own weapon, I don't want to be fumbling with a safety.

Valid point. I wasn't trying to say you were wrong at all. My primary carry weapons are a Glock and a XD. I do enjoy carrying my 1911 but it's way too hot right now to be packing that piece of iron.lol

duckman1911 07-03-2015 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunt Drag (Post 762074)
I and probably 90% of the population aren't as skilled as you are. If I'm wrestling with a drunken idiot, dodging his muzzle, all while trying to draw my own weapon, I don't want to be fumbling with a safety.

I'm pretty sure there are people on this site that are much better than me. I shot a 1911 with a 10 mag for competiton. What's called limited 10 class. You shoot in a group with someone shooting an open class gun that knows how to shoot and it's belittling. Even though you are shooting together you aren't competing against each other. Different weapon class. It still sucks when he does it in half your time. He's running a full blown race gun. Comped 38 super with a red dot and 29 rounds of ammo in his mag. I'm running my 1911 which has a lot of work but only 10 rnd mags and iron sights. I can't beat him if he knows how to shoot. Damn it is fun to watch though. It would be like you drag racing a top fuel drag car wiith your truck.

iron man 07-04-2015 11:30 AM

Ive watched this a few times. Stupidity. Good on both officers to bring him outside so something like this didn't happen inside

MathGeek 07-04-2015 02:29 PM

Everyone who owns or carries should repeat this ten times lest they ever be tempted:

Drawing on police is suicide.

Drawing on police is suicide.

Drawing on police is suicide.

Drawing on police is suicide.

Drawing on police is suicide.

Drawing on police is suicide.

Drawing on police is suicide.

Drawing on police is suicide.

Drawing on police is suicide.

Drawing on police is suicide.

Dogface 07-04-2015 07:15 PM

Personally I feel safer handling(drawing and holstering) my glock than my 1911 cocked and locked. Just something about looking at the hammer in the cocked position.

Dogface 07-04-2015 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 762064)
Then why have it if it's clicked off as you are bringing it to target?

How many Glocks have gone off while holstered due to not having a safety?

Actually a glock has 3 safeties although all are internal. The glock will not fire unless the trigger is fully depressed. Naturally, like with any firearm, accidents do happen.

Goooh 07-04-2015 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 762194)
Actually a glock has 3 safeties although all are internal. The glock will not fire unless the trigger is fully depressed. Naturally, like with any firearm, accidents do happen.


What I meant was easily understood.

Andy C 07-05-2015 12:10 AM

.45 1911
Cause with the price of bullets and reloading supplies. I only want to have to shoot once!!! I pry I (or anyone I know ever has to)
But love my 1911

Goooh 07-05-2015 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andy C (Post 762206)
.45 1911

Cause with the price of bullets and reloading supplies. I only want to have to shoot once!!! I pry I (or anyone I know ever has to)

But love my 1911



duckman1911 07-05-2015 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 762187)
Personally I feel safer handling(drawing and holstering) my glock than my 1911 cocked and locked. Just something about looking at the hammer in the cocked position.

Cocked locked and ready to rock. When at a match the only time you could have a loaded gun was when it was your turn to shoot. I had a 2lb triggrt pull on the 1911 then. That trigger was sweet.

Dogface 07-05-2015 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 762209)
Cocked locked and ready to rock. When at a match the only time you could have a loaded gun was when it was your turn to shoot. I had a 2lb triggrt pull on the 1911 then. That trigger was sweet.

I bet it was!!! The 1911 are really fun at the range but like you said earlier, I prefer to carry one of my glocks. Got a glock 43 about 6 weeks ago and have carried it everyday since. It's surprisingly accurate at the range as well as being small and light for a 9mm.

Dogface 07-05-2015 07:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 762205)
What I meant was easily understood.


Not July 4th at 9pm LOL... I understand better this morning.

duckman1911 07-05-2015 08:27 AM

That video was funny.

duckman1911 07-05-2015 08:33 AM

I want a Glock 20 in 10mm auto next.

Goooh 07-05-2015 09:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 762211)
Not July 4th at 9pm LOL... I understand better this morning.


Haha, true...

Spunt Drag 07-06-2015 07:26 AM

That video is funny. I always laugh at people who will only carry a .45 because "it's got more stopping power" but they can't hit the broad side of a barn with it. They sound so ignant.

duckman1911 07-06-2015 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spunt Drag (Post 762282)
That video is funny. I always laugh at people who will only carry a .45 because "it's got more stopping power" but they can't hit the broad side of a barn with it. They sound so ignant.

A lot of people have the spray and pray way of thinking. 45 recoil is very smooth and easy to comtrol. My wife's carry gun is a Khar in 45acp and she shoots it quite well. Recoil perception does vary from person to person. If it's not fun and comfortable to shoot then a new weapon is a must. Practice makes perfect and people won't practice with a gun that intimidates them. S .22 hollowpoint in the eye works just as well as a .45

Andy C 07-06-2015 09:37 PM

If you learn to shoot right a .45 is the same as a .22 but it takes practice and bullets. Thou a gun to know if you like it or not.


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