They Gone Full Retarded
 

Haha..... That's a great idea.

If the guide catches his limit then he can do whatever he wants. But letting the sports catch the guides limit along with their own should be stopped.

I've hunted places where we did not shoot the guides limit. But that guide knew before we started that he better not shoot ours. He kept his gun in the boat.

They say that they are helping clients break the law ? All they have to do is tag their fish w/ name and license number before giving to clients and voila. No more breaking the law.

Louisiana has enough fish to go around. Management regulations should be based on the availability of the resource, and increased restrictions should only be put in place when there is sound science showing the resource is endangered by maintaining the status quo.

This deal is yet another case of jealous anglers wanting to place unnecessary restrictions on others without sound science showing a management necessity.

Better start voting.
The number is drastically in favor of the recommendation...
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100% of the 74% never hired a guide or never fished with one or can't afford to

50% of the 100% is guides.

LMAO according to the article.

Yep, pretty dumb. If someone buys a fishing license and then pays to buy a commercial charter license on top of that, they are entitled to their limits every day. Do these people think that guides aren't taken into consideration when data is looked at and limits are set? Guides don't fish every single day of the year, and don't catch limits every day that they do fish. Sounds like a lazy guide that doesn't want to work as hard and wants to be done quicker every day.

It all goes back to habitat. Changing limits is not what is going to make fish populations grow. It simply wouldn't make enough of a difference if guides quit keeping their limits. Pretty unbelievable suggestion if you ask me.

If anyone knows full retard, it's W...

Damn you came up for air off of JAdams &€!@?

Welcome to another thread glad you could join us

I have to disagree somewhat with blaming it on jealousy, there is some validity to their anecdotal approach if you take the circumstances and extrapolate what was then vs what is now. I'm talking about number of fisherman, number of guides, number of days booked spread across number of guides, and number of registered boat owners (all 30 years ago vs now).

Reduced coastal land mass and other environmental impacts coupled with more and more charter opportunities have undoubtedly negatively impacted our stocks. It's hard to base everything on such concrete scientific data when 30-40 years ago it probably didn't exist as it does today. Kinda like testing radiation in tuna and blaming the levels on the meltdown in japan when not much data existed before the tsunami (exaggeration for representation).


I fully agree on basing regulations on sound scientific data, but have a hard time believing that increased harvest and decreased stocks don't relate in a linear fashion when plotted over a 40 year graph - I'd bet it would make a nice X.

I want to know where this law is that says guides can give clients their share above and beyond the customers limits?

I know for a fact if you are stopped and checked on the road you better not have more then 50 fillets (25 x 2) per licensed fisherman in the vehicle or it will be confiscated and you WILL BE ticketed PERIOD.

no excuses, no "im carrying the fish for the guys in the other truck" or "I was at camp all weekend" unless you have a paid receipt to show them in order to have a 2 day limit in possession.

as said earlier, the guides are admitting to willingly breaking the law on a regular basis by stating they catch their limit to give to customers.

What is the diffence for me catching my limit and cleaning it fishing with buddies or guiding ??

Please explain ?

Do you realize most guides started fishing more than before guiding ?

I fished more days YTD year before last not guiding than I have guiding

When I was not guiding I fished 6 out of 7 days just about every week now I only book 3-5 trips every week

So I'm keeping less fish right now this year to date than I did in 2011 not guiding

You are allowed two limits on possession per fisherman

So if my buddy from Baton Rouge comes fish with me for the day and we catch 30 trout
We clean the trout and he takes home my limit with his , he is legal by law

This is basically the only thing in the article that makes sense. The rest is typical "feel good" babble.

YTD by my books

2011 - 61 days fished 1952 trout

2014 - 49 days fished 1845 trout

I wasn't touching base on guides keeping their own fish - my post probably deserved it's own thread.

Fify

You can possess more than a 2 day limitvas long as the extra fish is tagged w/ name address and fishing license number of person catching those fish

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Do most guides stop at their individual limit? Or do they continue catching most of their clients fish too? I see more guides front ending their own paying clients because he knows he can catch more fish than guest and he needs those fish to make a good pile of fish.

That's the problem with the "fill the box" mentality. Quality guides, like JAdams, know that it doesn't take a box full of fish to make clients happy. Some guides just don't get that and they always brag about how fast they limit. One good fish can make a trip. A great guide can provide a great trip without putting a single fish in the box.

Most of the time I don't fish unless I'm finding them , if I get on anchor and were hammering the trout I just net or run trolling motor and allow my people to catch most of the fish

99.99999% people who hire me want me to fish with them because I teach them things about how to fish plastics or topwater baits

I rather go fish all day and catch 10 on artificial than catch 100 on live bait , I like people to enjoy fishing not casting a red and white with a live shrimp under it

Without solid stock assessments, it is hard to say.

The errant assumption behind the idea that increased fishing pressure is a problem is that the fishing related mortality is dominating the stocks. For example, since there are far fewer natural predators now than 40 years ago, humans can step in and harvest all the specks that used to get eaten by sharks, etc. In addition, since commercial restrictions have been gradually increased since the 1980s (eventually banning nets and limiting commercial fishers to hook and line) commercial harvests have plummeted from 1-2 million down to less than 100,000 pounds annually.

LDWF has commercial harvest numbers of spotted sea trout back to the 1960s and recreational harvest numbers back to 1983. There are significant annual variations in the recreational harvest numbers, but the long term trends hold constant at about 6 million pounds per year harvested recreationally, suggesting that at no time has over fishing of spotted sea trout occurred. 6 million lbs of spotted sea trout annually is below the maximum sustainable yield of the recreational fishery. Given over 4 million acres of estuary and marsh, is it surprising that LA can sustain a harvest of 6 million pounds of seatrout annually, only 1.5 lbs per acre?

You would be one of the few guides if you did this. However w; the question is do you ever put more than 15 fish that you catch in the box on any given day? Or do you throw every fish after 15 back in the water?

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Dat's why I like bull reds and gafftops. Everyone on board can count to one. If we lose count, it's easy enough to crack the igloo and double check the count. And gafftops have no limit. We just keep tossing 'em in until there's no more room or until I'm worried about how much work it would be to clean them of if all the fillets will fit in the cabin freezer.

Back in the Colorado days, even counting to 4 (the trout limit there) got complicated, and we often had to throw all the trout in a bucket and double check the count back into the cooler. One time, with four in the boat, I only ended up with 15 fish to clean at the sink. You shoulda smelled the boat two days later when we found #16.

And I'm a math geek.

I propose a new way of handling fishing limits in LA waters: every boat or vehicle can keep all they can fit in a 100 qt ice chest.

Regardless of species. If it fits in the cooler, you can bring it home if you want.

Louisiana has a gazillion fish out there folks. The pie is really really big, so stop worrying about other anglers getting too much and go out there and get you some!

We need to protect habitat, there is plenty of seafood for the self-harvesters and there always will be if we protect the habitat.

Maybe that should be the ad campaign: A 100 qt cooler and the slogan "Come get you some!"

Just for the record, here is what it says on pg 33 of the fishing regulatrions.


explanation of saltWater Creel & size limits
1
red drum (redfish) and spotted seatrout (speCKled trout)
Recreational saltwater anglers may possess a two days’ bag limit on land; however, no person
shall be in possession of fish over the daily bag limit in any one day or while fishing or while
on the water, unless that recreational saltwater angler is aboard a trawler engaged in commercial
fishing for a consecutive period of longer than 25 hours. Take or possession of red drum in
federal waters is prohibited.
2
off-Water BaG limit
Two days’ bag limit allowed in possession off of the water, not while fishing or in a boat.

I don't count how many who catches nor do I care who catches what are how many ... If I have kids on board and I can place them on fish and let then catch all 30 45 or 60 I will

Law says my boat with 4 people are allowed a limit of 60 trout oVer 12inches long

Never saw a GW ask who caught what fish nor will you ever !!

Legal limit of fish is a legal limit of fish guide or no guide

It's public water being fished by licensed legal fisherman !!!


We have no story here other than a few guides who are trying to get off work quicker and sound lazy

Read the first 3 line on page 34 of the Fishing Regulations booklet. It says something different. Here is a link.

http://www.wlf.louisiana.gov/sites/d...gs_low-res.pdf

i see why they want to push it. itll make it to where they have to catch and clean less fish, across the board. the problem here is your guide boys who are afraid to make their quota and are losing business to the ones who can. ive never had a problem with anyone keeping their limit. guides pay for a license so why wouldnt they get to keep if they choose. i can also see where theyre coming from saying that they dont even have intentions to keep the fish for themselves and only to give to the clients, but in the same breath who can say what you can do with YOUR limit. whether or not your donating it to the needy or donating it to the clients (needy) shouldnt be anyone's choice but that person. there is 721 guides in LA? did i read that right? sheet man, there were that many people on the channel on July 4th soaking skrimps under a cork.

i can see guides pushing for this though, itll make it easier on them. politicians will soak this up quick too! gonna look good for them and CCA!!

Agreed

I have to disagree with the last line. I can go out and not catch fish all by myself for free. If I'm paying a guide I'm paying him for a fish slaughter.

I agree with this, those guys are struggling and that would be 25 less trout they have to boat. Could be the difference in heading to the dock a 10:00 or having to stay til 2:00.....

This is true of some.

Every client is different. Some want fillets, some want to learn the lake, some big fish, etc.

If you are a good guide, you will ask your customer what they want and supply that.

I was like W, I fished till I found fish then put the rod down and netted, put on bait, etc. Some customers said things like "what are you doing, keep fishing we want meat". Most were content with what I was doing though.

The guide limit has been talked about for years. Don't really care one way or the other.

yea if its changed across the board it wont matter. its not like yall eat them anyway. but how will this effect your personal trips or family trips? there will have to be something that says you cant keep if youre getting paid i suppose.

Don't think anyone is really worried about the 2 over 25inchs That's the biggest political stupid law ever

I spoke wth GW and biologist who agree with me on this issue

I don't measure trout unless it's close to 12inches period

I know of a few guides who worry about the "2 over 25 inches" law, but they target big fish. They could care less about filling the box with dinks.

You do?? Please name one ?

I bet you can't

I get paid let people catch fish and a box full of 12-16inch trout is what customers love !! Never once had a person say let's not go trout catching !! Or say I only want big fish
Lmao

During the summer just about every customers 1st words are let's go get a limit before it gets hot

Bruce Baugh. Guess you have a "different" type of clients. Just because YOU focus on filling a box with dinks, doesn't mean that EVERY guide fishes like YOU. You're not the end all, be all authority on how EVERYONE wants to fish. Get over yourself, you're a part-time guide who's only concern is "limiting out".

It's my understanding that its 15 per person. Regardless of how many are in your boat. So if one person catches 15 he is done for the day no matter how many fish the other passengers have. Although there is no way to enforce it.

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Every client is different. Some want fillets, some want to learn the lake, some big fish, etc. If you are a good guide, you will ask your customer what they want and supply that.

Agreed, I am fishing with JAdams in Nov. I have told him fish numbers are not important. I want to 1. Learn to fish artificials. 2. Learn the lake and why we fish certain areas. 3. Learn how to navigate safely around large ships, areas of lake that are dangerous and anything else he can teach me to be a better fisherman.
If he does that, I am on my way to being able to catch my own fish on a different day.

Both great posts!

Bruce is a Trophy trout guide who wade fished on 97% of his charters and has a whole diffrent type of client !!

Like I said most want to learn how to catch fish and go out and catch lots of fish !!

Lmao dude give it up your obsessed with me !!

Send me your # and I'll text you the Text me and JAdams had just last night about you !! Lmao

I think he is about to get a restraining order on you for stalking

Randy Pausina, assistant secretary for the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries, agrees. Pausina came up through the ranks as a fisheries biologist getting his hip boots wet and hands dirty in the marshy muck behind the old Grand Terre marine research laboratory.

Randy Pausina
He said eliminating the guides' take from charter creels might be socially desirable, but it wouldn't cause any discernible increase in speckled trout and redfish stocks.
"It would be maybe a good gesture, but as far as conservation goes, it wouldn't have much of an impact," Pausina said. "Most people, including guides, think that they account for more fishing mortality than they really do."

need to shake this fellow's hand when you run across him, he is always on point :)

LMAO!!! Don't flatter yourself...
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w is right about this. people go to him for a different kind of experience for the most part.

he will be at the meeting tonight...