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Chip Landry 02-25-2014 04:06 PM

Snowmobiler shoots moose with Glock
 
Guy on snowmobil shoots moose with his pistol after it charges him.. Pretty cool video!

http://youtu.be/F6A2FpqAahg

Gerald 02-25-2014 04:52 PM

Great video.......

But IMO, He might be in trouble for shooting the Moose. At the point of shooting, the Moose was not attacking, it was walking away from him.

If it had turned around and coming back at him.....yes, shoot.

keakar 02-25-2014 04:57 PM

the guy is an idiot and needs to go to jail!

he pulls up too close which the moose sees as aggression then when the moose backs off he pulls closer again and after the moose backs up more he pulls up again so the moose felt he was being attacked.

add to that its just a small young immature moose and the guy fended the moose off already with just his hands and when the moose was no longer facing him and looked ready to head in another direction because he was unsure what to do about this guy on a loud machine attacking him, this is when the guy feels the need to pull his gun and shoot him!!! why? because you need to get somewhere faster and cant wait for him to leave?

one warning shot from his gun when he first saw the moose and stopped, would have sent this moose running for the hills long before it got to this point and the worst crime of all was to run off knowing he killed it for no reason and wasted the meat. I hope he at least called the game warden to report the killing and see the meat goes to charity if you don't want it.

Matt G 02-25-2014 05:05 PM

Noticed he drove off quick after that....... He knew he had screwed up.

MathGeek 02-25-2014 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keakar (Post 667909)
the guy is an idiot and needs to go to jail!

he pulls up too close which the moose sees as aggression then when the moose backs off he pulls closer again and after the moose backs up more he pulls up again so the moose felt he was being attacked.

add to that its just a small young immature moose and the guy fended the moose off already with just his hands and when the moose was no longer facing him and looked ready to head in another direction because he was unsure what to do about this guy on a loud machine attacking him, this is when the guy feels the need to pull his gun and shoot him!!! why? because you need to get somewhere faster and cant wait for him to leave?

one warning shot from his gun when he first saw the moose and stopped, would have sent this moose running for the hills long before it got to this point and the worst crime of all was to run off knowing he killed it for no reason and wasted the meat. I hope he at least called the game warden to report the killing and see the meat goes to charity if you don't want it.

We have no idea where this occurred or the laws governing human wildlife interactions at that time and place.

In most places, one does not need nearly the level of threat to justify shooting a domestic animal or a game animal that one needs to justify shooting a human or an endangered species.

Is there a duty to retreat in the relevant jurisdiction, or are citizens allowed to "stand your ground" against moose?

In the case of bears and wolves and dogs, I certainly hope armed citizens go ahead and shoot animals that have previously attacked humans as the law allows.

The shooter had much more justification for shooting the moose than many LEOs have when they shoot domestic dogs, and the LEOs are never charged.

Lake Chuck Duck 02-25-2014 05:07 PM

I thought for sure once he locked and loaded that the moose was gonna come back for seconds. Not sure why this guy would even post this on youtube.

Wide Open 02-25-2014 05:34 PM

Very interesting video!
I think he had valid enough time to make other various choices before shooting the moose.
Glad it wasn't me.

Matt G 02-25-2014 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Wide Open (Post 667920)
Very interesting video!
I think he had valid enough time to make other various choices before shooting the moose.
Glad it wasn't me.

Completely agree with you. It's easy to keboard quarterback this one after watching the video, but with adrenaline pumping none of us can say for sure what we would have done. With that being said, the coon@$$ in me thinks I would have dropped him and had him in the pot before sundown! And that video would have been erased!!

Top Dawg 02-25-2014 05:45 PM

Looks like he missed the first shot then the moose charged again. So there goes the warning shot theory.

Clampy 02-25-2014 05:59 PM

Whoa that was intense.


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Goooh 02-25-2014 06:38 PM

Good for him.

bgizzle 02-25-2014 10:03 PM

The moose attacked once. Who's to say he wouldn't do it again?


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duckman1911 02-25-2014 10:17 PM

Dude made several mistakes. First and foremost he was carrying an unloaded weapon. Second he missed his first shot. Third he left a pile of steaks on that trail.

fishinpox 02-25-2014 11:11 PM

Weak! That dude could have backed up n let that moose leave, he basically provoked the moose . Like others said a warning shot would have made it run off . Dude is an idiot .

Wide Open 02-25-2014 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishinpox (Post 668094)
Weak! That dude could have backed up n let that moose leave, he basically provoked the moose . Like others said a warning shot would have made it run off . Dude is an idiot .

YUP!;)

MathGeek 02-26-2014 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishinpox (Post 668094)
Weak! That dude could have backed up n let that moose leave, he basically provoked the moose . Like others said a warning shot would have made it run off . Dude is an idiot .

So you are opposed to "stand your ground" laws and favor a duty to retreat?

Failing to retreat = provocation?

Smalls 02-26-2014 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 668108)
So you are opposed to "stand your ground" laws and favor a duty to retreat?

Failing to retreat = provocation?

Dude, are you serious? This isn't an armed gunman. This is a moose, a small one at that. This ***** has no respect for wildlife. Rule of thumb is you go the opposite way from a situation like this. He primed this animal into "attacking" him, and then he shot it. The animal was in retreat when he drew and fired.

"Stand your ground" is a weak argument after watching this video. He purposely provoked that moose. It was way too far away to have done anything if he felt like he was in danger. He could have easily turned around, or went another way, but he chose to sit there.

You ever had bear safety training, because I have, and the only time you stand your ground is when the bear is already aggressive. In any other situation you get the heck out of Dodge. Same applies to just about any animal. That moose did not appear to be aggressive until it got close.

Plan and simple, this Guy kept provoking the moose, even AFTER it had turned around. He kept following it. If this was a full grown moose or a bear, would you do the same? I don't think so, so why in this situation is what he did ok? He didn't stand his ground, he kept pushing forward.

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BuckingFastard 02-26-2014 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keakar (Post 667909)
the guy is an idiot and needs to go to jail!

he pulls up too close which the moose sees as aggression then when the moose backs off he pulls closer again and after the moose backs up more he pulls up again so the moose felt he was being attacked.

add to that its just a small young immature moose and the guy fended the moose off already with just his hands and when the moose was no longer facing him and looked ready to head in another direction because he was unsure what to do about this guy on a loud machine attacking him, this is when the guy feels the need to pull his gun and shoot him!!! why? because you need to get somewhere faster and cant wait for him to leave?

one warning shot from his gun when he first saw the moose and stopped, would have sent this moose running for the hills long before it got to this point and the worst crime of all was to run off knowing he killed it for no reason and wasted the meat. I hope he at least called the game warden to report the killing and see the meat goes to charity if you don't want it.

what the heck is wrong with yall? he was riding on the path, stopped, was attacked already... i wouldnt have gave it the first chance to stomp me like he did. if you think you would have done something different, you must work for PETA. he took off cause he was probably freaked out and his adrenaline was going. he looked to be plenty far enough from it when he stopped. the animal was turning around to attack again or it was at least not fleeing from him.

Clampy 02-26-2014 07:39 AM

Moose are complete sheet heads and don't scare easily. They regularly stomp people to death. He might have been able to get away without killing it but I would have prolly done the same thing. Ground check him.
#TeamPeople


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Smalls 02-26-2014 07:41 AM

You must have watched a completely different video than I did, because he was not attacked almost immediately as you describe. I'm not a PETA guy, just someone that works and hunts in the woods all the time and knows how to handle myself around wildlife. He had no GOOD reason to act as he did. Contrary to what MathGeek believes, "stand your ground" did not fit this situation UNTIL the moose got aggressive, then he turned and walked away, and the guy continued to provoke him by moving down the path.

None of that was smart. He could have moved around him or tracked back and found another route around.

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BuckingFastard 02-26-2014 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 668127)
Moose are complete sheet heads and don't scare easily. They regularly stomp people to death. He might have been able to get away without killing it but I would have prolly done the same thing. Ground check him.
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Thats right! moose kill a looooot of people every year in the "deep north."

id like to see anyone in that position, after already being stomped once, try to do something different and expect to live.

fishinpox 02-26-2014 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 668108)
So you are opposed to "stand your ground" laws and favor a duty to retreat?

Failing to retreat = provocation?

Go count something math boy

Chip Landry 02-26-2014 07:50 AM

I just thought it was a video worth sharing.... Didn't think it would start a sh*t storm like this..

fishinpox 02-26-2014 07:51 AM

Lmao

swamp snorkler 02-26-2014 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fishinpox (Post 668094)
Weak! That dude could have backed up n let that moose leave, he basically provoked the moose . Like others said a warning shot would have made it run off . Dude is an idiot .

I'll agree on this, he could have sat there and enjoyed looking at it and when it moved out the way went around it. No need to pull up closer and when it doesn't move pull up again provoking it again.

BuckingFastard 02-26-2014 08:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 668128)
You must have watched a completely different video than I did, because he was not attacked almost immediately as you describe. I'm not a PETA guy, just someone that works and hunts in the woods all the time and knows how to handle myself around wildlife. He had no GOOD reason to act as he did. Contrary to what MathGeek believes, "stand your ground" did not fit this situation UNTIL the moose got aggressive, then he turned and walked away, and the guy continued to provoke him by moving down the path.

None of that was smart. He could have moved around him or tracked back and found another route around.

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track around in the deep snow and maybe get stuck? he wasnt provoking it, he was trying to scare it, obviously. oh well idga dang

BassYakR 02-26-2014 08:09 AM

Im pretty sure adrenaline had a lot to do with what happened in this video. I do not agree with what happened that's for sure. I wasn't in the situation so I cannot say what I would have done. Id like to think that I would have backed up and waited for him to move/leave or maybe found an alternate route. The guy wasn't on foot he had the ability to move very easily.

Smalls 02-26-2014 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuckingFastard (Post 668140)
track around in the deep snow and maybe get stuck? he wasnt provoking it, he was trying to scare it, obviously. oh well idga dang

Yeah, maybe you've got a point. I can see that. Idk, who knows what they would have done here. I just know if that's a full grown moose or a bear, I'm not going to keep moving down that trail, I'm going to back out or wait and see what it does. I'm sure that animal felt threatened by him, and that is why it charged. Either way, it is what it is. To each his own.

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BassYakR 02-26-2014 08:13 AM

And if this would have happened to me I would have for sure destroyed all evidence including the damn video... really how stupid can you be?

Goooh 02-26-2014 08:41 AM

Snowmobiler shoots moose with Glock
 
Wonder how long he sat there before he turned on the camera. I'm sure he didn't just round the corner and give the moose 2 seconds or else. Get off the trail and get stuck in bear country with a goofy, adolescent moose hanging around?? Doubt it. And was that his lady following him?

How many of you hunt over a pile of corn from a big box in the sky, but are saying this guy was wrong?

That moose was young, dumb and clumsy. He wouldn't have made it very long anyway, playing on a trekked path and charging gas powered bears that are standing over 7'... I wish he would have played out the cow scene from Me, Myself and Irene

BuckingFastard 02-26-2014 08:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goooh (Post 668157)
Wonder how long he sat there before he turned on the camera. I'm sure he didn't just round the corner and give the moose 2 seconds or else. Get off the trail and get stuck in bear country with a goofy, adolescent moose hanging around?? Doubt it. And was that his lady following him?

How many of you hunt over a pile of corn from a big box in the sky, but are saying this guy was wrong?

That moose was young, dumb and clumsy. He wouldn't have made it very long anyway, playing on a trekked path and charging gas powered bears that are standing over 7'... I wish he would have played out the cow scene from Liar Liar

hahaha

BuckingFastard 02-26-2014 08:49 AM

me myself and irene

BuckingFastard 02-26-2014 08:49 AM

i forgot about that, so funny!

Goooh 02-26-2014 09:11 AM

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BHh3OcVGYg.../s1600/cow.gif

duckman1911 02-26-2014 10:01 AM

Everyone is missing the real point here. This dude dinked a freaking moose with a Glock. Shouldnt we all be concerned with finding out what caliber he was shooting.lol:grinpimp:

BuckingFastard 02-26-2014 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 668180)
Everyone is missing the real point here. This dude dinked a freaking moose with a Glock. Shouldnt we all be concerned with finding out what caliber he was shooting.lol:grinpimp:

damn right!

ida just hopped off the snowmobile and barebacked that hoss in a rear naked choke till he dropped.

flounder_smacker 02-26-2014 10:29 AM

Yall are arguing over one dead moose. How many get killed by hunters or cars every year? Only thing I think he did wrong was not stopping to put one in its head to make sure it died quick.

speck cc 02-26-2014 10:49 AM

we don't know the details... so why speculate! i would have shot his *** too!

barbarian 02-26-2014 05:10 PM

I watched it a second time to be sure. At the 52 second mark that moose started charging again. It then met its fate about 1 second later. I am pretty sure I would've done the same thing and I think the shooter's immediate response to flee for a couple hundred yards proved his fear of the situation. It appears he tried to fire a scare shot about 2 seconds before and it made it worse or didn't help at the very least. I definitely don't have a clue in the snow, but that trail at that spot didn't look like anything was an option but forward It already charged once and IMO came way too close and appeared dangerous. Those hooves will mess you up quick. He might have been young, but plenty big enough to do major damage. unfortunate - yes, but justified IMO. If he wouldn't have shot it and that second attack proved deadly, we would have all called him an idiot to let that happen with a pistol on his side.

Bdv2642 02-26-2014 09:34 PM

Did y'all not see the moose almost stop his a** BEFORE he drew his gun? I don't get it. Put yourself in his shoes He was trail riding and came across a wild animal. 9/10 that animal goes the other way when you ride up on em. . He showed plenty of restraint by allowing that moose to get as close as it did. Bad situation. could he have done something different? Sure, but I guarantee he didn't want that moose stomping his snowmobile.


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