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Hitinitdaily 12-17-2013 11:29 AM

Hybrid Duck - Greenwing Teal/Pintail
 
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Has anyone seen a bird like this before? I shot him in Oklahoma this Sat on their second split opener. My Taxidermist, Gary Bell, confirmed it to be a hybrid and further stated it was only the second he had ever seen and it was def the biggest!!

Pretty excited to have shot this duck and it will look great next to a Hybrid Mallard/Pintail I have.
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AubreyLaHaye458 12-17-2013 11:31 AM

This the only picture you have?


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Hitinitdaily 12-17-2013 11:51 AM

Yes sir


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meaux fishing 12-17-2013 12:05 PM

Awesome... Congrats!!

Feesherman 12-17-2013 01:27 PM

Looks like a teal to me

Hitinitdaily 12-17-2013 01:37 PM

You are right! It is a Teal... crossbreed with a Pintail. Feel free to post a picture of another Teal that has the similar markings


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meaux fishing 12-17-2013 02:05 PM

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Looks pretty different from this to me...
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meaux fishing 12-17-2013 02:08 PM

And unless he has tiny hands like the guy on the Burger King commercial... That's a big teal

MarshRat89 12-17-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 652277)
And unless he has tiny hands like the guy on the Burger King commercial... That's a big teal

My thoughts exactly


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Hitinitdaily 12-17-2013 04:19 PM

Haha, yeah the body on it was a lot bigger than any teal I've seen, especially a Green!


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Top Dawg 12-17-2013 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 652259)
Looks like a teal to me

Me too

Nickt87 12-17-2013 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitinitdaily (Post 652263)
You are right! It is a Teal... crossbreed with a Pintail. Feel free to post a picture of another Teal that has the similar markings


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Where are you getting the pintail idea from? Did he have a sprigged tail feather or something? I cant see the pic good enough to tell anything besides the green wing head, and that it has a big body.

MarshRat89 12-17-2013 05:46 PM

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Don't know how big his hands are but this is a teal I just shot compared to mine


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MarshRat89 12-17-2013 06:08 PM

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Just happen to have one fly by while I was on a pouldeau round up earlier Attachment 59938


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Hitinitdaily 12-17-2013 06:39 PM

That's a blue winged teal.. Green wings are a smaller bird.


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Hitinitdaily 12-17-2013 06:47 PM

Nickt87, I get the pintail from comparing it to the numerous mature drake pintail we shot on same hunt. The feathers from the neck down match same pattern as pintail although he didn't have a sprig, just means the bird was in a juvenile stage.

The outfitters i hunted with in Oklahoma stated that they believed it was a mix of the two birds. They shoot 1000's of birds a yr so I trust them.

Finally, I brought to my taxidermist who has been in the business for 40 years and has mounted over 20K ducks. He stated it was a hybrid of the two birds.. Guess I just trust his professional opinion & compared it to the markings of both species.

Regardless of the real origin of the bird. I'd love for someone else to show a picture of a Greenwinged teal with similar facial markings.


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Spunt Drag 12-17-2013 06:51 PM

I think it's a GWT/Old Squaw mix. Congratulations!

MarshRat89 12-17-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitinitdaily (Post 652423)
Nickt87, I get the pintail from comparing it to the numerous mature drake pintail we shot on same hunt. The feathers from the neck down match same pattern as pintail although he didn't have a sprig, just means the bird was in a juvenile stage.

The outfitters i hunted with in Oklahoma stated that they believed it was a mix of the two birds. They shoot 1000's of birds a yr so I trust them.

Finally, I brought to my taxidermist who has been in the business for 40 years and has mounted over 20K ducks. He stated it was a hybrid of the two birds.. Guess I just trust his professional opinion & compared it to the markings of both species.

Regardless of the real origin of the bird. I'd love for someone else to show a picture of a Greenwinged teal with similar facial markings.


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Post some more pics when you get it back from the taxidermist. Always interesting to see the hybrids


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Hitinitdaily 12-17-2013 07:09 PM

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Will do! Thanks for the support. Here is the mallard/pintail I shot a few yrs back. It had 3 long green sprigs that curled not to mention its head! Ha, pretty sweet! Attachment 59941Attachment 59942


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Hitinitdaily 12-17-2013 07:11 PM

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Clampy 12-17-2013 07:18 PM

^^ that's a sweet looking bird


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MarshRat89 12-17-2013 08:32 PM

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My buddy's dad killed this one in Klondike a few years ago
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CaptSI 12-17-2013 10:05 PM

mallards will have curled sprigs and a white ring around its neck but I do see the beak, cool

biggun 12-18-2013 07:54 AM

Marshrat.. U a pooldo shooting fool..

MarshRat89 12-18-2013 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by biggun (Post 652582)
Marshrat.. U a pooldo shooting fool..

Lol you know how thick they are on us that ole water chicken is good in a gumbo


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Duck Butter 12-18-2013 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hitinitdaily (Post 652220)
Has anyone seen a bird like this before? I shot him in Oklahoma this Sat on their second split opener. My Taxidermist, Gary Bell, confirmed it to be a hybrid and further stated it was only the second he had ever seen and it was def the biggest!!

Pretty excited to have shot this duck and it will look great next to a Hybrid Mallard/Pintail I have.
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Cool bird, do you have any pics of the wing/speculum?

Hitinitdaily 12-18-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 652628)
Cool bird, do you have any pics of the wing/speculum?

Unfortunately, I did not take any pics of the Speculum but it was more brown than green. I should've taken more pics of it. I hit him pretty hard with a full choke so i just snapped that one pic and put him in a bag as to not put any more wear and tear on him.

Once the mount is complete, I will post plenty pics so we all can get a better look.

Hitinitdaily 12-26-2013 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MarshRat89 (Post 652461)
My buddy's dad killed this one in Klondike a few years ago
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Did he have it Mounted?

MarshRat89 12-26-2013 09:36 AM

No I don't know why


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Hitinitdaily 04-02-2014 03:10 PM

Pictures of my Hybrid Mount
 
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Hey Guys, I got my Hybrid Mount back and I thought ya'll might want to see it. I know there were a lot of guys asking about the wings, etc.

I wish you could see how Huge the bird is!!!

cgoods17 04-02-2014 03:35 PM

just looks like a big teal with a dark neck and a painted beak

Hitinitdaily 04-02-2014 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by cgoods17 (Post 677252)
just looks like a big teal with a dark neck and a painted beak

Seems you just don't want to see it.. Look at the white around his neck, never seen a teal with it. You can't understand how large it is unless you see it. Teal don't just triple in size. A whole green wing would fit inside body of this bird. He has a few other strong markings of a Pintail but you wont see it if you don't want to.

I'm sure the other Hybrid I posted is just a long necked mallard with long curled springs added?

Thanks for the imput Cgoods17 but i'm going to go with the guys opinion who has mounted over 20K birds in 40 years

C-Bass2mouth 04-02-2014 04:19 PM

Thats tight! Can u get a side by side pic of another mount for scale?

Hitinitdaily 04-02-2014 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by C-Bass2mouth (Post 677257)
Thats tight! Can u get a side by side pic of another mount for scale?

Thanks!! Sure, I will get it next to some of my other mounts and take a picture. I wish I had a regular Green Wing to take a picture of.

Top Dawg 04-02-2014 04:30 PM

Nice teal!

Spunt Drag 04-02-2014 04:33 PM

Looks like it's got a little Old Squaw mixed in there too.

Hitinitdaily 04-02-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by spunt drag (Post 677260)
looks like it's got a little old squaw mixed in there too.

good eye!!

ChrisD 04-02-2014 04:48 PM

Awesome bird

cgoods17 04-02-2014 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitinitdaily (Post 677255)
Seems you just don't want to see it.. Look at the white around his neck, never seen a teal with it. You can't understand how large it is unless you see it. Teal don't just triple in size. A whole green wing would fit inside body of this bird. He has a few other strong markings of a Pintail but you wont see it if you don't want to.

I'm sure the other Hybrid I posted is just a long necked mallard with long curled springs added?

Thanks for the imput Cgoods17 but i'm going to go with the guys opinion who has mounted over 20K birds in 40 years



No problem man, it is definitely different.. i was just simply stating that it looks like a large teal with a dark neck and painted beak... sorry bubba

-and no i do see you mallard/pintail cross... those are more common than a teal/pintail/oldsquaw

Feesherman 04-02-2014 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitinitdaily (Post 677255)
Thanks for the imput Cgoods17 but i'm going to go with the guys opinion who has mounted over 20K birds in 40 years

So a taxidermist is ur go to guy for hybrid identification? I mean a biologist prolly don have a clue right? A duck stuffer would for sure know LOL. BTW I do see the old squaw in it but not pintail.

Hitinitdaily 04-02-2014 08:26 PM

That's what I'm saying Feesherman. I trust 40 yrs of taxidermy work and a lifetime of hunting waterfowl. A degree in Biology doesn't teach you about waterfowl identification but i'd more than welcome a Waterfowl Biologist's thoughts. Is that your occupation?


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Feesherman 04-02-2014 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Hitinitdaily (Post 677343)
That's what I'm saying Feesherman. I trust 40 yrs of taxidermy work and a lifetime of hunting waterfowl. A degree in Biology doesn't teach you about waterfowl identification but i'd more than welcome a Waterfowl Biologist's thoughts. Is that your occupation?


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Nope not my occupation. I wasnt aware that waterfowl biologists couldn't ID waterfowl. Learn sumin new every day I guess

Smalls 04-02-2014 10:31 PM

Cool looking bird, but it would be nice to see it up against something. I don't doubt it's a hybrid if its twice the size of a green wing; I'm just not seeing pintail in there. I don't see any feature that leads me to believe its got pintail in it. Could be wrong though.

It does appear at first glance to be a larger than normal teal. Love to see it against a mallard or something.

gckid 04-03-2014 08:02 AM

I killed one very similiar to it this year. have pictures on my phone but don't know how to load to site.

cgoods17 04-03-2014 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by gckid (Post 677477)
I killed one very similiar to it this year. have pictures on my phone but don't know how to load to site.



did you mount your teal/pintail/oldsquaw?

if so we would love to see a pic to compare hybrids.

PotLikinisAhabbit 04-03-2014 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 677401)
Nope not my occupation. I wasnt aware that waterfowl biologists couldn't ID waterfowl. Learn sumin new every day I guess

Wording is key here. Re-read what was said. A biology degree does not make you an expert on wildlife identification. Hitinitdaily actually welcomed the opinion of a "waterfowl biologist" as you put it.

gckid 04-03-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cgoods17 (Post 677488)
did you mount your teal/pintail/oldsquaw?

if so we would love to see a pic to compare hybrids.

at taxidermy now

"W" 04-03-2014 10:53 AM

simple put the new duck next to your other hybrid duck and see the size

Feesherman 04-03-2014 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by PotLikinisAhabbit (Post 677521)
a "waterfowl biologist" as you put it.

Actually if you re-read what he said, "waterfowl biologist" is how HE put it. I'm not thinking he is welcoming a biologists assessment when he's put all his faith in his taxidermist.

Spunt Drag 04-03-2014 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Feesherman (Post 677559)
Actually if you re-read what he said, "waterfowl biologist" is how HE put it. I'm not thinking he is welcoming a biologists assessment when he's put all his faith in his taxidermist.

What's your problem? It's clearly NOT a GWT. He doesn't need a waterfowl biologist to tell him that's a hybrid. The dude has been stuffing ducks for 30 years and mounted over 40,000 birds and stayed at a holiday inn express last night.


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