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tgsx750f2000 08-15-2013 01:35 PM

Wiers not opening this year
 
Has anyone heard anything about the Wiers opening for shrimp season? It would suck if they don't open! I catch all my shrimp for the year there each year. I was told by someone that called the number and spoke to a person that if we don't get enough rain they won't be opening them.

"W" 08-15-2013 01:45 PM

Not going to open until get at least 6inchs of rain


Our man made structures at work !! Choke off the lakes life support...right now we should have shrimp pouring out of that marsh on falling tides

Slidellkid 08-15-2013 02:50 PM

When is shrimp season?

"W" 08-15-2013 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Slidellkid (Post 617771)
When is shrimp season?



Opened Monday

specksNdaSURF 08-15-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Slidellkid (Post 617771)
When is shrimp season?

Tom

swampman46 08-15-2013 07:22 PM

You guys talking about the Rockerfeller wiers?

Evans 08-15-2013 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 617763)
Not going to open until get at least 6inchs of rain


Our man made structures at work !! Choke off the lakes life support...right now we should have shrimp pouring out of that marsh on falling tides

That's not good for catching shrimp or fish!!!

Montauk17 08-15-2013 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by swampman46 (Post 617876)
You guys talking about the Rockerfeller wiers?

Grand bayou weir in calcasieu lake.

mstulb 08-16-2013 03:52 PM

Yep
 
Yep I agree with you, especially just so a select few can have a little more widgeon grass in there pond. sorry but bs






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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 617763)
Not going to open until get at least 6inchs of rain






Our man made structures at work !! Choke off the lakes life support...right now we should have shrimp pouring out of that marsh on falling tides


Top Dawg 08-16-2013 05:52 PM

Teal season gonna be on! Come one september

Duck Butter 08-16-2013 06:39 PM

I just listened to 3 solid hours of talks on freshwater diversions and it was very civil even though there was disagreement on a few things, mainly the cause of the land loss below Caernarvon. There were 2 oceanographers, 2 geologists, and a plant ecologist. Some pointed towards Hurrican Rita, some towards the diversion for the land loss. One of the take home points was that for every acre of dredged canal you lose 4-5 acres of marsh. One of the things that they all agreed upon was that saltwater is the worst thing that can happen to a marsh. There are different types of marshes, and they can all tolerate salinity differently but saltwater for long periods of time will kill it all. The poster child for this is Sabine NWR where Rita brought saltwater and kept it on the landscape for long periods of time. You can see it on Google Earth and any aerial photos that the land was lost and isn't coming back. THIS is what you get when you have saltwater come into a system for long periods of time.

The people that are 'benefitting' from keeping saltwater out of that marsh is everyone in Louisiana;)

Ask Vermilion Parish rice farmers about saltwater intrusion and what it does to crops (i.e. their livelihood)


widgeongrass can handle a little salinity also

AceArcher 08-16-2013 06:47 PM

now why can't we have a like button on this darn website.. :)

Duck Butter 08-16-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by AceArcher (Post 618181)
now why can't we have a like button on this darn website.. :)

:rotfl:

Duck Butter 08-16-2013 06:50 PM

Those guys that own land behind the weirs probably belong to DU and/or CCA though:eek:








:rotfl:

AceArcher 08-16-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 618183)
Those guys that own land behind the weirs probably belong to DU and/or CCA though:eek:








:rotfl:

Ut ohh... time to put on flak jackets and helmets!!! :) :rotfl:

Duck Butter 08-16-2013 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by AceArcher (Post 618188)
Ut ohh... time to put on flak jackets and helmets!!! :) :rotfl:

I am outta here:rotfl:

capt coonassty 08-16-2013 09:33 PM

Duck butter, did you go to LAPB?

"W" 08-16-2013 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 618179)
I just listened to 3 solid hours of talks on freshwater diversions and it was very civil even though there was disagreement on a few things, mainly the cause of the land loss below Caernarvon. There were 2 oceanographers, 2 geologists, and a plant ecologist. Some pointed towards Hurrican Rita, some towards the diversion for the land loss. One of the take home points was that for every acre of dredged canal you lose 4-5 acres of marsh. One of the things that they all agreed upon was that saltwater is the worst thing that can happen to a marsh. There are different types of marshes, and they can all tolerate salinity differently but saltwater for long periods of time will kill it all. The poster child for this is Sabine NWR where Rita brought saltwater and kept it on the landscape for long periods of time. You can see it on Google Earth and any aerial photos that the land was lost and isn't coming back. THIS is what you get when you have saltwater come into a system for long periods of time.

The people that are 'benefitting' from keeping saltwater out of that marsh is everyone in Louisiana;)

Ask Vermilion Parish rice farmers about saltwater intrusion and what it does to crops (i.e. their livelihood)


widgeongrass can handle a little salinity also


In other words "Save the Widgeon Grass"

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 618268)
Duck butter, did you go to LAPB?

Yes, were you there

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 07:20 AM

wigeongrass = Ruppia maritima

W, you can google 'maritime' and see what that means:rotfl:

mstulb 08-17-2013 08:48 AM

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Yes but isn't it ironic these marshes survived for hundreds of years with no "saving weir system". I agree a massive saltwater influx is of course not good for a marsh overall over an extended period of time but in this particular case that giant marsh system is a hatchery for shrimp and it is being cut off by a man made weir system.

No weir system on the east bank of Sabine, and those marshes look healthy to me. Shrimp all over that estuary right now, and you can ask any shrimper calcasieu is dried out. Any correlation maybe/maybe not.






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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 618179)
I just listened to 3 solid hours of talks on freshwater diversions and it was very civil even though there was disagreement on a few things, mainly the cause of the land loss below Caernarvon. There were 2 oceanographers, 2 geologists, and a plant ecologist. Some pointed towards Hurrican Rita, some towards the diversion for the land loss. One of the take home points was that for every acre of dredged canal you lose 4-5 acres of marsh. One of the things that they all agreed upon was that saltwater is the worst thing that can happen to a marsh. There are different types of marshes, and they can all tolerate salinity differently but saltwater for long periods of time will kill it all. The poster child for this is Sabine NWR where Rita brought saltwater and kept it on the landscape for long periods of time. You can see it on Google Earth and any aerial photos that the land was lost and isn't coming back. THIS is what you get when you have saltwater come into a system for long periods of time.

The people that are 'benefitting' from keeping saltwater out of that marsh is everyone in Louisiana;)

Ask Vermilion Parish rice farmers about saltwater intrusion and what it does to crops (i.e. their livelihood)


widgeongrass can handle a little salinity also


Evans 08-17-2013 08:53 AM

And the people that own land back there don't have to go to the weir to access that marsh so they can be back there having and the fish and shrimp to them self!!!

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by mstulb (Post 618329)
Yes but isn't it ironic these marshes survived for hundreds of years with no "saving weir system". I agree a massive saltwater influx is of course not good for a marsh overall over an extended period of time but in this particular case that giant marsh system is a hatchery for shrimp and it is being cut off by a man made weir system.

No weir system on the east bank of Sabine, and those marshes look healthy to me. Shrimp all over that estuary right now, and you can ask any shrimper calcasieu is dried out. Any correlation maybe/maybe not.

The ship channel is the entire problem for saltwater intrusion. A straight north to south route is the easiest route for saltwater intrusion. The weirs were put in place to mitigate for this. The marshes to the west have not recovered from Rita, I mentioned that earlier and you can look at Google Earth and switch frames from year to year and see this. The shrimp are plentiful because they feed upon decaying vegetation and there isn't a shortage of that in Louisiana and will not be for the forseeable future:redface:

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Evans (Post 618332)
And the people that own land back there don't have to go to the weir to access that marsh so they can be back there having and the fish and shrimp to them self!!!

When those weirs open, the shrimp will be there for everyone and the fish as well. Saving marsh is MUCH greater than recreational shrimping. You can buy shrimp anywhere in S La and they are a renewable resource, marshland is hard to renew.

This is going to be a big fight in the near future, when fishing interests are fighting against the good of all. There are groups in SE LA that are fighting tooth and nail against proposed diversions to 'save their trout fisheries':eek: All that land behind the weirs will probably be gone one day, may as well keep it around as long as possible, there will always be fish in the lake as someone just said the west side is chock full of shrimp

MathGeek 08-17-2013 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 618334)
When those weirs open, the shrimp will be there for everyone and the fish as well. Saving marsh is MUCH greater than recreational shrimping. You can buy shrimp anywhere in S La and they are a renewable resource, marshland is hard to renew.

This is going to be a big fight in the near future, when fishing interests are fighting against the good of all. There are groups in SE LA that are fighting tooth and nail against proposed diversions to 'save their trout fisheries':eek: All that land behind the weirs will probably be gone one day, may as well keep it around as long as possible, there will always be fish in the lake as someone just said the west side is chock full of shrimp

I agree, but let me add that it is the short term fishing interests fighting against the long term good of all. Controlling salinity in the marsh is essential to maintaining a high level of fishing opportunity in the long term. There is no scientific debate here. The data is overwhelming and the science showing the disaster for long term fishing is extremely compelling.

capt coonassty 08-17-2013 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 618311)
Yes, were you there

Yeah, I cooked the catfish for the social.

drunken clam 08-17-2013 12:54 PM

I talked to the guy at hebert s collecting the landing fees ,..and btw he has opened a 5 star dinning experience extroidinaire there ,...soon coming..... pulled pork culinary delights sanwihiches ,..and will be opening an outdoor bar, perhaps another shooting and severe beating in the future...anyway, he said "Feds will mandate opening of the wiers on the 22nd"...and he knows everything, if u dont believe me just ask him...i think all weirs around the lake are closed...I was at hog bayou wier monday and it appeared to be closed and the other one too, further south

redspeck82 08-17-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by drunken clam (Post 618395)
I talked to the guy at hebert s collecting the landing fees ,..and btw he has opened a 5 star dinning experience extroidinaire there ,...soon coming..... pulled pork culinary delights sanwihiches ,..and will be opening an outdoor bar, perhaps another shooting and severe beating in the future...anyway, he said "Feds will mandate opening of the wiers on the 22nd"...and he knows everything, if u dont believe me just ask him...i think all weirs around the lake are closed...I was at hog bayou wier monday and it appeared to be closed and the other one too, further south

That guy is a Nazi for that five dollars. You can't even put it in park without him knocking on your window!!!

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 618372)
Yeah, I cooked the catfish for the social.

I didn't stay for that, but ate some the next day, they was good mahn!:grinpimp:

Were you wearing a visor by chance? We probably crossed paths at the coffee dispenser

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 618363)
I agree, but let me add that it is the short term fishing interests fighting against the long term good of all. Controlling salinity in the marsh is essential to maintaining a high level of fishing opportunity in the long term. There is no scientific debate here. The data is overwhelming and the science showing the disaster for long term fishing is extremely compelling.

Yep, and its gonna be a hard fight and one no one wants to fight but its going to come one of these days and more and more people are starting to make their living off the lake, its gonna get ugly

forgot some commas in there!

Smalls 08-17-2013 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by mstulb (Post 618329)
Yes but isn't it ironic these marshes survived for hundreds of years with no "saving weir system". I agree a massive saltwater influx is of course not good for a marsh overall over an extended period of time but in this particular case that giant marsh system is a hatchery for shrimp and it is being cut off by a man made weir system.

No weir system on the east bank of Sabine, and those marshes look healthy to me. Shrimp all over that estuary right now, and you can ask any shrimper calcasieu is dried out. Any correlation maybe/maybe not.

Go look up all the past posts on this. I've been doing a lot of research on those marshes in the last 3 years, and a lot of that I point out in those posts.

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Smalls 08-17-2013 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 618183)
Those guys that own land behind the weirs probably belong to DU and/or CCA though:eek:








:rotfl:

All that land is owned by large land companies. Very little owned by private land owners. I know both of the land managers that manage the land in Cameron-Creole.

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"W" 08-17-2013 01:54 PM

Interrupt mother nature harvest cycle

Install Weirs and control water..... mess us ecosystem and kill everything


Shrimp and fish cant just wait for mother of weirs to allow them to do there thing



Awesome!!! Save Wegiongrass

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 618415)
Interrupt mother nature harvest cycle

Install Weirs and control water..... mess us ecosystem and kill everything


Shrimp and fish cant just wait for mother of weirs to allow them to do there thing



Awesome!!! Save Wegiongrass


Interrupt mother nature by dredging a ship channel, see what I did there


Wigeongrass isn't going to be affected by a little salinity dubya

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 618413)
All that land is owned by large land companies. Very little owned by private land owners. I know both of the land managers that manage the land in Cameron-Creole.

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Are they CCA members:rotfl:


where you been man, there has been some great debates here lately. You can just google something and be an expert on any topic you wish:grinpimp:

"W" 08-17-2013 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 618417)
Interrupt mother nature by dredging a ship channel, see what I did there


Wigeongrass isn't going to be affected by a little salinity dubya

No weirs on West side of lake for the marshes?? Closer to ship channel

^^^^^^^^^^


See what I did there

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 618419)
No weirs on West side of lake for the marshes?? Closer to ship channel

^^^^^^^^^^


See what I did there

and they are not in the best shape either;)

You can see the eroding of the marsh firsthand, I am pretty sure you even mentioned the erosion at supercut, different but same yo

Smalls 08-17-2013 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 618418)
Are they CCA members:rotfl:


where you been man, there has been some great debates here lately. You can just google something and be an expert on any topic you wish:grinpimp:

Busy getting work done and getting ready for the big move. I've been reading, but chose to pick my battles. Didn't feel like getting in to something I don't know a whole lot about.

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Duck Butter 08-17-2013 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 618446)
Busy getting work done and getting ready for the big move. I've been reading, but chose to pick my battles. Didn't feel like getting in to something I don't know a whole lot about.

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Thats not the way around here, just google man:rotfl: the "W" method


Are you working private or public sector?

Smalls 08-17-2013 03:51 PM

Private. Its nice because its consulting, but its environmental, so I'm thinking of starting a wildlife consulting business on the side like I've always wanted to. May never get big, but I'll make a few extra bucks and get to do something I've always wanted to do.

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CajunSteelsetter 08-17-2013 04:09 PM

Yeah smalls, and when you need an extra person in the know with wildlife to do some "ground truthing" and draw up some management plans you know who to call yeah? :grinpimp:

capt coonassty 08-17-2013 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 618409)
I didn't stay for that, but ate some the next day, they was good mahn!:grinpimp:

Were you wearing a visor by chance? We probably crossed paths at the coffee dispenser

Yeah that was me. I remember a thread last year about a few guys from SC going. Should be there next year, stick around for the social man the beer is usually good.

Duck Butter 08-17-2013 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 618492)
Yeah that was me. I remember a thread last year about a few guys from SC going. Should be there next year, stick around for the social man the beer is usually good.

Got to drive back is the problem:grinpimp:

Smalls 08-18-2013 10:49 AM

Haha, funny guy there steelsetter.

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"W" 08-18-2013 01:13 PM

Weirs will not open on the full moon as per Weir gate manager!!!

Keep killing off lake one full moon and new moon at a time!!


Unless we get 6inches of rain do not expect them to open and continue to kill of lake supply

Duck Butter 08-18-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 618674)
Weirs will not open on the full moon as per Weir gate manager!!!

Keep killing off lake one full moon and new moon at a time!!


Unless we get 6inches of rain do not expect them to open and continue to kill of lake supply

The sky is falling, the sky is falling:rotfl:

There is plenty of food in that lake, you have said so yourself that the ship channel is a 'buffet':shaking: Big trout primarily eat finfish, so you could actually put together an argument that the fishing for big trout will get better if one was so inclined

redaddiction 08-18-2013 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 618674)
Weirs will not open on the full moon as per Weir gate manager!!!

Keep killing off lake one full moon and new moon at a time!!


Unless we get 6inches of rain do not expect them to open and continue to kill of lake supply



When will you learn that it's not about saving a lake that's not supposed to be so salty and hold all your precious trout in the first place. It's about saving the marsh!

Smalls 08-18-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by redaddiction (Post 618700)
When will you learn that it's not about saving a lake that's not supposed to be so salty and hold all your precious trout in the first place. It's about saving the marsh!

He wont.

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"W" 08-18-2013 03:05 PM

Yea we saving a saltwater marsh....lmao

Again were are the weirs on the west side marsh? We need a weir just north of Heberts by pelican point to save that marsh also?

We need weirs at every marsh entrance off ship channel!!!


Save Wegiongrass

Duck Butter 08-18-2013 03:21 PM

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