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FYI Heart Worms
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http://www.saltycajun.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42287)
Raymond |
03-21-2013 02:23 PM |
FYI Heart Worms
Everyone who has a dog should be pro active and precise with giving HW meds now that it has warmed up. In Louisiana you should never stop giving meds but now it is more important than ever that they are given every 30 days like clock work.
Testing every 6 months may also prevent an outbreak from getting too far advanced as you can treat more easily early >6 mos than later <6 mos. If you get bad news, (+ test) don't agree to any treatment until you do some research on both methods of treatment.
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Spunt Drag |
03-21-2013 02:47 PM |
Seems like products like heartguard aren't working around here. Still a lot of heartworm cases on it.
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Lake Chuck Duck |
03-21-2013 02:57 PM |
If you can prove that you are giving your pet the meds on schedule, yet they still get heart worms, the med company will pay for the treatment. Not sure if all do that but some will for sure. I unfortunately could not prove regular timely dosage and had to pay the full amount of treatment.
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Spunt Drag |
03-21-2013 03:21 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake Chuck Duck
(Post 562542)
If you can prove that you are giving your pet the meds on schedule, yet they still get heart worms, the med company will pay for the treatment. Not sure if all do that but some will for sure. I unfortunately could not prove regular timely dosage and had to pay the full amount of treatment.
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How do you prove you gave the dog the meds? I have a receipt of purchase at the vets office but nothing that says I gave it to him.
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meaux fishing |
03-21-2013 03:22 PM |
What's y'all's opinion on the six months shot vs pill every month?
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Lake Chuck Duck |
03-21-2013 03:27 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Spunt Drag
(Post 562549)
How do you prove you gave the dog the meds? I have a receipt of purchase at the vets office but nothing that says I gave it to him.
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Basically show them you have purchased the heartworm pill every 6 months exactly. (not every 7 or 8) depending on what interval you purchase at a time. The vet has that record tied to your dogs name.
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ckinchen |
03-21-2013 03:29 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by meaux fishing
(Post 562550)
What's y'all's opinion on the six months shot vs pill every month?
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I would like to know the answer to this as well.
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aquaholic |
03-21-2013 03:45 PM |
I am a vet where heartworm "resistance" started. Have seen prevention failure for 8+ yrs now. Slowly spreading to other areas. I have seen failure w all preventatives. My personal preference is proheart - 6 mo shot. This is used commonly in my practice but has far fewer failures. Not scientific study just my personal clinical observation. As far as tx goes there is really only one tx that is approved. There is an alternative tx that is not approved that has increased risk to your pet. Yes companies will cover all/ partial/ none of tx costs depending on your purchase history. Online purchases don't qualify for coverage
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Raymond |
03-21-2013 04:02 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquaholic
(Post 562566)
I am a vet where heartworm "resistance" started. Have seen prevention failure for 8+ yrs now. Slowly spreading to other areas. I have seen failure w all preventatives. My personal preference is proheart - 6 mo shot. This is used commonly in my practice but has far fewer failures. Not scientific study just my personal clinical observation. As far as tx goes there is really only one tx that is approved. There is an alternative tx that is not approved that has increased risk to your pet. Yes companies will cover all/ partial/ none of tx costs depending on your purchase history. Online purchases don't qualify for coverage
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Please keep us in the Loop on all things Dogs.
IMO, 4 yrs ago ProHeart required a neg HW test to purchase their product. Last year I took a clients dog in for PH shot and no snap test for HW. This is the only advantage IMO for the PH shot even though it's a different drug. My personal dogs will get Doxycycline/Ivermectin regimin before the current treatment.
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cajunforeman |
03-21-2013 04:10 PM |
They track how offen you come in to buy more. If your coming in every 6 months then you must be giving it to them so they say. I will always buy mine from the vet for this reason. I also go every 6 months. Last 3 guys out of the 5 I hunt with dogs came down with it.
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Spunt Drag |
03-21-2013 04:19 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquaholic
(Post 562566)
I am a vet where heartworm "resistance" started. Have seen prevention failure for 8+ yrs now. Slowly spreading to other areas. I have seen failure w all preventatives. My personal preference is proheart - 6 mo shot. This is used commonly in my practice but has far fewer failures. Not scientific study just my personal clinical observation. As far as tx goes there is really only one tx that is approved. There is an alternative tx that is not approved that has increased risk to your pet. Yes companies will cover all/ partial/ none of tx costs depending on your purchase history. Online purchases don't qualify for coverage
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Thanks for the info. How do you feel about the Advantage Multi: Flea, Tick, and Heartworm (imidacloprid+moxidectin)? Doesn't work all that great for fleas and ticks but I've heard good things for heartworm prevention.
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Super Spook |
03-21-2013 04:21 PM |
I got all 3 of mine on proheart which my vet reccomended. Many of the dogs from previous litters we have had came down with HW on Heartguard. I know of 6 dogs that got a + test and 3 I know for sure that it was administered on time every month. If you live down here I would reccomend getting them off of Heartguard if you have them on it.
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aquaholic |
03-21-2013 04:22 PM |
Raymond the current tx method is much safer than ivm doxy tx. With current tx we have control over when dogs die. With ivm/doxy worms die but we have no idea when. The worm death is where problems occur. I have had fewer than 10 dogs die in 10 yrs and nearly all of those were in heart failure. I guess I'm a control nut and don't like surprises like my dog falling over dead while training because one worm died and moved from the heart to lungs
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Raymond |
03-21-2013 04:32 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by aquaholic
(Post 562591)
Raymond the current tx method is much safer than ivm doxy tx. With current tx we have control over when dogs die. With ivm/doxy worms die but we have no idea when. The worm death is where problems occur. I have had fewer than 10 dogs die in 10 yrs and nearly all of those were in heart failure. I guess I'm a control nut and don't like surprises like my dog falling over dead while training because one worm died and moved from the heart to lungs
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Fair enough, I am just not sold on some of the side effects of the new kill method.
Back to PH, agree or disagree about testing every 6 months? I am not trying to argue with your clinical expertise but only trying to justify my Opinion. You are the expert on HW, I have read some on the subject but am far from and expert.
Thanks
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It seems that the meds don't work as well on Labs as other dogs. I haven't heard of another breed on meds still getting HW. My boxer is almost 16. He's an inside dog and has never been on a preventative. Tests neg every year for his checkup
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Any info on trifexus? Both my dogs are on it and have been doing well.
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hankscke123 |
03-21-2013 05:41 PM |
well i gave mine hearguard and last month he tested positive he is going thru treatmen now breaks my heart but i will spend what ever it takes
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bjhooper82 |
03-21-2013 05:43 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dink
(Post 562611)
It seems that the meds don't work as well on Labs as other dogs. I haven't heard of another breed on meds still getting HW. My boxer is almost 16. He's an inside dog and has never been on a preventative. Tests neg every year for his checkup
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I may be wrong but I think HW comes from a mosquito bite, so if your dog stays inside it would be less likely to get them. My lab has had it twice and heart guard has paid 100% both times. We switched to the 6 month shot pro heart and no problems so far.
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aquaholic |
03-21-2013 06:04 PM |
Testing every 6 mos will pick up infection sooner but if they are on prevention the number of worms is small. Proheart got into trouble w FDA and had to play by their rules when reintroduced. Restrictions are now lifted. You can use proheart off label in hw+ dogs. We do it frequently. You also can use proheart w doxy in slow kill. Trifexis will have failures but has the best flea medicine available w it ( comfortis ). We have seen most all breeds affected. No breed predisposition. Ray what side effects? Only one we see is muscle soreness and sometimes some scar tissue at injection site (rare)
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hankscke123 |
03-21-2013 07:46 PM |
i have a question my lab tested positive the vet said he caught early only on or two adults and no larvey yet i dont know which treatment we doing its one shot then two weeks another then a month then another month he told me no getting him excited he is 3 so say the least his hardest thing to do is get up off floor or chouch and go eat or drink.people around the house laff because he dont know how to ride in back of truck they ask how can i let a dog ride in front of 50000 dollar truck all i ask is do u make ur best friend ride in back
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Raymond |
03-21-2013 08:18 PM |
Know of and have heard of sever allergic reaction to new kill. Having said that, the one I know of tested + 1.5 yrs later but 6 mos later was neg.
Han, I don't think it's possible not to have larva if they are +.
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aquaholic |
03-21-2013 08:20 PM |
Normal tx protocol for injections is 1 shot w 2 wks rest followed w 2nd shot 30 days after 1st shot. 3rd shot 24hrs after 2nd followed by 2 wks rest. I'm a control freak so I keep dogs in clinic during rest period. My experience is my idea of rest and an owners are 2 different things.
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Raymond |
03-21-2013 08:23 PM |
This dog only had first and went back on HG.
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aquaholic |
03-21-2013 08:24 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by Raymond
(Post 562679)
Know of and have heard of sever allergic reaction to new kill. Having said that, the one I know of tested + 1.5 yrs later but 6 mos later was neg.
Han, I don't think it's possible not to have larva if they are +.
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Have heard of allergic rxns but have never seen one in 20yrs of using this product. 100s of dogs tx'd. Can have allergic rxn to aspirin
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cajunforeman |
03-21-2013 08:32 PM |
My dog is on trefexius and doing well. With saying that I was told that the heart worm pill inside of it is heart guard. He also stays inside every night and when someone is home during the day. I have a alarm set on my phone to make sure he gets it every month on the same day and as close as possible to the same time. If I remember correct, I don't think pro heart has any resistance to ticks but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I did research on it.
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Raymond |
03-21-2013 08:36 PM |
I have pulled more ticks off of me in the last ten yrs than any dog. Fleas are our problem down here with all the damn coyotes and coons.
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aquaholic |
03-21-2013 08:51 PM |
Quote:
Originally Posted by cajunforeman
(Post 562688)
My dog is on trefexius and doing well. With saying that I was told that the heart worm pill inside of it is heart guard. He also stays inside every night and when someone is home during the day. I have a alarm set on my phone to make sure he gets it every month on the same day and as close as possible to the same time. If I remember correct, I don't think pro heart has any resistance to ticks but I could be wrong. It's been a while since I did research on it.
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Trifexis is milbemycin plus comfortis. Milbemycin is same active ingredient as interceptor. Comfortis is by far the best flea product available at this time. Some new products coming but we'll have to wait and see on those
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lake Chuck Duck
(Post 562554)
Basically show them you have purchased the heartworm pill every 6 months exactly. (not every 7 or 8) depending on what interval you purchase at a time. The vet has that record tied to your dogs name.
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And don't be a day late between the last pills coverage and the purchase of a new pack. There was a two day discrepancy and I had to pay for treatment.
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