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J_baker9418 12-03-2012 01:56 PM

Got my first ticket! Should I fight it?
 
Like the title says, I got my first ticket. I was in central la, driving on the highway to work. I see the lights behind me, so I am pulled over and given a ticket for doing 73 in 50. Plus no seatbelt. So what are my options? Should I pay the ticket or fight it? Will my insurance go up for my first offence?:help:

rustyb 12-03-2012 01:57 PM

Fight it? Whats your defense?

Lake Chuck Duck 12-03-2012 02:00 PM

Unless you know someone in the DA office that can fix it, just pay the fine. You could however put in a request to the DA office to reduce it to a non-moving violation. The fine would likely be the same but it won't go on record in a way to increase insurance.

jchief 12-03-2012 02:01 PM

Where at? Were you speeding and not wearing seatbelt?

Feesherman 12-03-2012 02:14 PM

You should fight it for sure! I know I would!

J_baker9418 12-03-2012 02:22 PM

I was not doing 73, I know that for sure! I was doing 60ish. In pineville that it happened. I do have family whose a state trooper.

swamp snorkler 12-03-2012 02:24 PM

Since it's your first offense you can get it reduced to a non moving violation.

seat belt you have to pay

rustyb 12-03-2012 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamp snorkler (Post 524274)
Since it's your first offense you can get it reduced to a non moving violation.

seat belt you have to pay

X2

Raymond 12-03-2012 02:35 PM

It will only show up on mvr if you get into an atfault accident or buy a new auto. They don't run mvr's at renewal unless there has been a change. Having said that, pay the ticket. If you know the Rapides parish DA then go that route or ask them to work with you but 20 mph ovah and no seat belt ain't gonna get you a whole lotta hep.
Got one in Forest Hills Thanksgiving for 6mph ovah but reduced to 2nd offense seat belt violation which I paid online for $54. Bet you was on the Expressway??

FF_T_Warren 12-03-2012 02:35 PM

Just call and ask what you need to do to keep it off record. I've had 5 tickets and 4/5 of them said as long as I pay before court date= no going on record. Only one made me go to a 3hr defensive driving course. But to have 5 tickets and none on record, it's worth it. Just call em

"W" 12-03-2012 02:36 PM

Seatbelt is the easiest to get out of on location


I have been stopped several times and never got a ticket because I made it an conflicted argument

#1 if cop is parked and you pass by him , then he stops you
1st never say your guilty and you had your set belt on
Never believe them when they say : I saw you put it on! That's BS and a trained move
Acted pissed off
Ask did you really see no seat belt with me moving at (speed limit)
And tell him to explain how he saw that your set belt was not on! Tell him you will not sign ticket for seat belt because he has zero proof you did not have it on


100% works !!! No way a cop can tell you what you had on or not when your moving passed then parked !!!

Bluechip 12-03-2012 03:00 PM

Lmao..... and just because you don't sign the ticket does not mean that you won't be held accountable.

Feesherman 12-03-2012 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Bluechip (Post 524285)
Lmao..... and just because you don't sign the ticket does not mean that you won't be held accountable.

The ticket is a sumons to court, not an admission to guilt. So I don't understand what not signing it is going to get you.

J_baker9418 12-03-2012 03:03 PM

Yea it was on the expressway! I could care less bout the seatbelt charge, I just don't want my insurance to go up!

J_baker9418 12-03-2012 03:06 PM

Well I had my seatbelt on, but when I stopped and parked, I took my seatbelt off(force of habit) by the time I realized what I did, he was at my window. Also I forgot to mention this was a motorcycle police officer, so no camera. Now I think this is a long shot, but could it be my word against his?

Lake Chuck Duck 12-03-2012 03:07 PM

His word will win every time

Bluechip 12-03-2012 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_baker9418 (Post 524288)
Well I had my seatbelt on, but when I stopped and parked, I took my seatbelt off(force of habit) by the time I realized what I did, he was at my window. Also I forgot to mention this was a motorcycle police officer, so no camera. Now I think this is a long shot, but could it be my word against his?

Yes it could..... and the judge will have to decide between a young teenage boy and a law enforcement officer......Hummmmmm...You will never win.....:shaking:

sacalaitman 12-03-2012 03:10 PM

Take your chances in court. Depending on how many tickets bw writes that day for that court date he may not show up. If this happens the violation gets dropped.

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southern151 12-03-2012 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lake Chuck Duck (Post 524289)
His word will win every time

^^^This.^^^

Finfeatherfur 12-03-2012 03:11 PM

One speeding ticket won't make your insurance go up and a seatbelt ticket is $25, non-moving. Now, if you want a 100% sure way of getting a nasty note attached to the ticket for the DA's office to read, make sure you do exactly like "W" said and let me know how that works for you!! Believe nothing he said - cause it will only cause you grief in the long run!

southern151 12-03-2012 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Finfeatherfur (Post 524295)
One speeding ticket won't make your insurance go up and a seatbelt ticket is $25, non-moving. Now, if you want a 100% sure way of getting a nasty note attached to the ticket for the DA's office to read, make sure you do exactly like "W" said and let me know how that works for you!! Believe nothing he said - cause it will only cause you grief in the long run!

But, but, W knows everything! He's the king of big lake, investing, freeboard, football and state laws!:rotfl::shaking:

Your best bet has already been mentioned...Call em and ask to pay the fine but keep it off your record. It has worked for me on several occasions. Whatever you do, don't let your mouth and emotions override your better senses. You will lose. Period.

FinFeatherFur is an officer and so is my brother. They'd both agree about someone getting smart with them, on the street or, in court. That DA will stand by his men/women.

J_baker9418 12-03-2012 03:26 PM

Lol well I guess it was a long shot! I was nervous that he might search the truck, had both my ar and pistol in the trick!

Dogface 12-03-2012 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finfeatherfur (Post 524295)
One speeding ticket won't make your insurance go up and a seatbelt ticket is $25, non-moving. Now, if you want a 100% sure way of getting a nasty note attached to the ticket for the DA's office to read, make sure you do exactly like "W" said and let me know how that works for you!! Believe nothing he said - cause it will only cause you grief in the long run!

X10!!! Don't be a smart azz to a police officer. As usual "W" is wrong.

jdm4x43732 12-03-2012 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_baker9418 (Post 524300)
Lol well I guess it was a long shot! I was nervous that he might search the truck, had both my ar and pistol in the trick!

whats wrong with that?

J_baker9418 12-03-2012 03:41 PM

I really don't understand the law with transporting pistols. With me being a just 18 and the law being unclear, I don't really want to get fined or taken away. From my research and what I have heard, I may need a ccw permit, but I'm not 21. But I also heard that if it is not in reach and in the back, it is alright!

Jordan 12-03-2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lake Chuck Duck (Post 524261)
Unless you know someone in the DA office that can fix it, just pay the fine. You could however put in a request to the DA office to reduce it to a non-moving violation. The fine would likely be the same but it won't go on record in a way to increase insurance.


this normally helps, dont count on it though. They will help if this is a 1st offense

swamp snorkler 12-03-2012 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_baker9418 (Post 524304)
I really don't understand the law with transporting pistols. With me being a just 18 and the law being unclear, I don't really want to get fined or taken away. From my research and what I have heard, I may need a ccw permit, but I'm not 21. But I also heard that if it is not in reach and in the back, it is alright!


I'm not 100% positive but I'm fairly certain that your vehicle is an extention of your home and you can carry your weapon with you anywheres in the state.

2 rules when approached by a LEO act civil and say little.

jchief 12-03-2012 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swamp snorkler (Post 524318)
I'm not 100% positive but I'm fairly certain that your vehicle is an extention of your home and you can carry your weapon with you anywheres in the state.

2 rules when approached by a LEO act civil and say little.

Correct.

Finfeatherfur 12-03-2012 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J_baker9418 (Post 524300)
Lol well I guess it was a long shot! I was nervous that he might search the truck, had both my ar and pistol in the trick!

Don't ever be afraid of having your legally owned firearms in your legally owned vehicle. It is your 2nd ammendment right and officers will not hassle you for having legal guns. Now, if your a convicted felon slinging dope - shame on you! But if you are here on SC and amoung the crowd of hard working Americans looking to blow off some steam and play on the internet in between hunting and fishing - you have nothing to worry about! PERIOD! So don't ever be "afraid" of having your guns!!!!

Officers don't just search vehicles. Usually we have tell tale signs that point us that way. Just relax, be cordial and answer the officers questions. As far as the video thing you stated the lack of it because he was on a motorcycle - most wear body cameras now. FYI- "MOTORS" refers to motorcylce officers and most cities that have them work a specific division, which is "traffic". They do not respond to run of the mill calls such as a disturbance or shoplifiting. They are out there to enforce "traffic" laws, thus he is paid to enforce what he sees. How many times has he been to court in front of Judge ABC where someone said "I wasn't speeding"? - Hundreds of times! - Were you speeding? - Don't know, I wasn't there. Will you win in court? - "NO".

Lake Chuck Duck 12-03-2012 05:18 PM

I've have a feeling that we have a new Iron Man on the site. I guess we shall see lol.

By the way Baker, to you know Chuck Norris?

Reggoh 12-03-2012 05:24 PM

One time I was driving back from Lake Arthur to Lake Charles... I had a class a McNeese about 2 hours from the time I left and I was living in Sulphur at the time so I decided to take the scenic route on Hwy 14. I was just driving along in my truck with the cruise set at about 50 and I got pulled over by a State Trooper.

He only asked for my license, registration, and insurance card... I asked what he pulled me over for and he said I was doing 69mph in a 55mph zone. The only thing I asked him if he was sure it was my truck? He was very short with me and just wrote me a ticket. I dont know what he was smoking that day but I know he didnt clock me going that fast. I didnt argue with him and just took the ticket and got it fixed.

Moral of the story... Sometimes cops get it wrong... do what you can to get it fixed or pay the fine if you feel you were guilty... follow the advice of some of the guys on here about keeping it off your record... thats the real expense.

Frank Buck 12-03-2012 05:42 PM

FYI, if you refuse to sign the ticket, that is a 100% guarantee to get arrested....Sure fire way...You cannot refuse to sign the ticket...Not an admission of guilt, only a promise to appear in court and face your charges...If you wait until the trial date and talk to the DA prior to your trial, you can ask him to work with you and have it reduced to non-moving violation to keep off your record. You certainly don't have to discuss anything with the officer regarding your violation and you can do so nicely...nothing wrong with that, but I definately wouldn't get testy with him, you will never win that one...This is how it plays out! Sir, why are you so irrate over a moving violation. Your irrational behavior leads me to believe that you have committed or about to commit a serious crime and are a danger to yourself or others at this time. Please place your hands on the car and spread your legs and do so now...Even if you are perfectly legal and nothing to worry about....It lengthens your time on the scene and on the back of the summons he will write how you acted or place a reference number on the back to see supplemental report filed which details what a ******wood you were and the DA will definately not accept pre trial motions....Or you could just pay the fine....either way....It's like all things in life...choose wise or "show everyone" and pay the consequences....Most times, your facial expressions and demeanor in the first 20 seconds of the encounter, determine if you getting paper or not....azzez get tickets...sometimes nice people get tickets....just depends...just increase your chances of getting out of it unscathed....sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but it never works to be an azz....just my .02

J_baker9418 12-03-2012 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lake Chuck Duck (Post 524342)
I've have a feeling that we have a new Iron Man on the site. I guess we shall see lol.

By the way Baker, to you know Chuck Norris?

Not personally!

J_baker9418 12-03-2012 06:11 PM

Well it's gonna take a week until I find out how the ticket is, probably over $400. I just don't want my insurance to go up, hopefully I can get it to a non moving violation, as some users suggested.

jdm4x43732 12-03-2012 07:33 PM

I've gotten them for 80+ in a 55 and it was $300 something. I did have to appear in court though. Got it reduced to a non moving violation. I had one and a month later for the same speed. But I acted the *** on the side of the road, also told him i didn't have anything else on my record. I was hoping the 1st one wasn't going to show up but it sure did. I drive the speed limit now, I am way to pretty to go to jail.

mriguy 12-03-2012 07:42 PM

I got one in Alexandra recently for 75 in a 60. Figured I would just pay it, but received a letter from the DA, paid $150 by money order and don't get another ticket in one years time and nothing goes on your record.

southern151 12-03-2012 07:45 PM

Johnny said he's too pretty to go to jail! LOL!

You really do believe everything your wife tells ya, huh?! LOL!...really, she just wants that check to keep coming! Haha!

"W" 12-03-2012 07:52 PM

I have been stopped by 6 State Troopers in the last two years for seat belt and not one ticket

4 of them tried that stupid I saw you put it on, to try and get me to bite ! Lmao
I said sure you did 7 cars behind me once I passed you

Seat Belt tickets are easy to get out of if you don't admit guilt

There 1st tactic is you know why I stopped you ? Then say seat belt and try to convince you they know

They do not know !!!!they will not waist a day I'm court to fight a he said she said seat belt ticket

100% flawless

"W" 12-03-2012 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frank Buck (Post 524349)
FYI, if you refuse to sign the ticket, that is a 100% guarantee to get arrested....Sure fire way...You cannot refuse to sign the ticket...Not an admission of guilt, only a promise to appear in court and face your charges...If you wait until the trial date and talk to the DA prior to your trial, you can ask him to work with you and have it reduced to non-moving violation to keep off your record. You certainly don't have to discuss anything with the officer regarding your violation and you can do so nicely...nothing wrong with that, but I definately wouldn't get testy with him, you will never win that one...This is how it plays out! Sir, why are you so irrate over a moving violation. Your irrational behavior leads me to believe that you have committed or about to commit a serious crime and are a danger to yourself or others at this time. Please place your hands on the car and spread your legs and do so now...Even if you are perfectly legal and nothing to worry about....It lengthens your time on the scene and on the back of the summons he will write how you acted or place a reference number on the back to see supplemental report filed which details what a ******wood you were and the DA will definately not accept pre trial motions....Or you could just pay the fine....either way....It's like all things in life...choose wise or "show everyone" and pay the consequences....Most times, your facial expressions and demeanor in the first 20 seconds of the encounter, determine if you getting paper or not....azzez get tickets...sometimes nice people get tickets....just depends...just increase your chances of getting out of it unscathed....sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but it never works to be an azz....just my .02


That is 100% lie ... I have not signed two tickets one speeding and one window tint
He just gave me ticket and said pay or take to court

rustyb 12-03-2012 08:01 PM

P.S. They get paid to go to court. Sometimes more than regular time. Im just sayin.

donniej 12-03-2012 08:01 PM

^^^ 100% idiot. Signing a ticket is not a plea of guilt, its your right to appear before a judge to plea your case or pay the fine. If you decide to be an *** and not sign,the officer has the right to tow your car until court date.

PUREBAY2200 12-03-2012 08:05 PM

W is a rebel.... Face it!!
Them cops don't f with W!!
Lmao

jwlunsford82 12-03-2012 08:07 PM

W. there is an easy solution to you getting pulled over 6 times.... Wear your seatbelt it's that easy.

"W" 12-03-2012 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by donniej (Post 524447)
^^^ 100% idiot. Signing a ticket is not a plea of guilt, its your right to appear before a judge to plea your case or pay the fine. If you decide to be an *** and not sign,the officer has the right to tow your car until court date.

I know it does not show guilt .... But I know I Do NOT have to sign it bottomline

If I get pulled over by some petty crap I will not sign any ticket .... You can pull my Driving record and see I have Zero on it and lots of people on this site have been with me when I have got stopped

PaulMyers 12-03-2012 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 524436)
I have been stopped by 6 State Troopers in the last two years for seat belt and not one ticket

4 of them tried that stupid I saw you put it on, to try and get me to bite ! Lmao
I said sure you did 7 cars behind me once I passed you

Seat Belt tickets are easy to get out of if you don't admit guilt

There 1st tactic is you know why I stopped you ? Then say seat belt and try to convince you they know

They do not know !!!!they will not waist a day I'm court to fight a he said she said seat belt ticket

100% flawless

Why not just ware the seatbelt?

SULPHITE 12-03-2012 08:09 PM

DeJa vu

"W" 12-03-2012 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwlunsford82 (Post 524452)
W. there is an easy solution to you getting pulled over 6 times.... Wear your seatbelt it's that easy.

I choose not to wear a seatbelt.. Its my choice never have never will!

Seat belt law is stupid ... You can have a school bus with 50 kids and no seat belt but I have to wear mine ...NoT

Finfeatherfur 12-03-2012 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 524453)
I know it does not show guilt .... But I know I Do NOT have to sign it bottomline

If I get pulled over by some petty crap I will not sign any ticket .... You can pull my Driving record and see I have Zero on it and lots of people on this site have been with me when I have got stopped

Please refuse to sign my ticket!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pretty please!!!!!!! Saltycajun as never had real police video uploaded!!!!! Going on the record here and now - refuse to sign my ticket if I happen to stop you - see how that works out for ya'!!!! The DA may drop the case because you know him, but you better have him on frickin' speed dial on the side of I-10!!!! Just saying! I got three words for ya'...........TASER! TASER! TASER!!!! 5 second ride baby!

Big Kahunaz 12-03-2012 08:12 PM

Lol. Dean is a lawyer too! ;-P

jwlunsford82 12-03-2012 08:15 PM

Taser video sweet I think we would all love to see that one


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