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"W" 10-02-2009 08:40 AM

Falcon vs Waterloo
 
Here is a thread to talk about best rodS.....

I have used both Falcon and Waterloo!! But Waterloo hands down is better than Falcon.....
Falcon is a great rod and I have used them for years also..... If you have not used a Waterloo you cant compare them:D

cmdrost 10-02-2009 08:59 AM

haha.....like the new thread instead of hijacking my classified ad!

Used many rods over the years....from allstar, american rodsmith, shimano, falcon, & waterloo just to name a few.

my current rod of choice is the waterloo also. Really nice rods!!!

"W" 10-02-2009 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 55552)
haha.....like the new thread instead of hijacking my classified ad!

Used many rods over the years....from allstar, american rodsmith, shimano, falcon, & waterloo just to name a few.

my current rod of choice is the waterloo also. Really nice rods!!!


Hook U up:D

LaAngler 10-02-2009 09:13 AM

This is my honest opinion.

Waterloo makes a high modulus lightweight rod with quality components for sure. The mark up on these rods is simply ridiculous. I don't deny the benefit of using one and it may be worth it if you have the money. They are charging top dollar custom rod prices for production rods.

Judging by Falcon's market share I'd say they are doing something right. I like my cenderi ti nearly/or as much as my waterloo now. I think with the technology getting better all the time you'll see higher modulus and better quality out of the 100 dollar rods at academy.

I justify using a 500-600 dollar trout/bass rodnreel simply by looking at it as one of the finer things in life and treating myself to it, nothing wrong with that either.

LaAngler 10-02-2009 09:21 AM

and guys FYI the classifieds ads comments should be from prospective buyers and not a place to write a critique of the item in question

thanks

Montauk17 10-02-2009 10:06 AM

I think the cenderi ti is no longer made tho.....Alot of people would dissagree,but I have been using all star rods for 10 years or better and there great for the money. I have a inshore team series 7' 6" medium with a curado and its a great feeling setup. My next rod will be a spiralstix,my buddies billy stix spinning rod is really sweet.

"W" 10-02-2009 10:15 AM

I will say this!! #1 is your Equipment you dont have to have the best but you need good stuff to preform! Casting and durable!!!
I like custom rods now.... I dont know if I will ever buy a market rod again.... my #1 weapon is 200E7 Curado with HP light Waterloo 7ft

BossHog 10-02-2009 10:39 AM

The waterloo is a high dollar rod that most people would never pay for, but if you are a serious fisherman and willing to pay you can definately tell that it is by far a more sinsitive rod and it will catch more fish. You will actually feel more bites and have a better feel for your bait. But in my opioion it isnt as durable as a falcon. Personaly I would never saltwater fish with a falcon rod but thats all I bass fish with. I have several waterloos, laguns, and many other top dollar rods and the waterloo is the one of the best, but I fish with H&H rods now you get the same feel and weight as a waterloo and its a more durable rod from my experience. Just my opioion.

LaAngler 10-02-2009 10:45 AM

i have held a few H & H, liked one of them, seem overpriced too...

gander mountain in houston carries them....

i want to try a stick em and a marshrat

ROD WAR, it's ON CUZ.....

BossHog 10-02-2009 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 55590)
i have held a few H & H, liked one of them, seem overpriced too...

gander mountain in houston carries them....

i want to try a stick em and a marshrat

ROD WAR, it's ON CUZ.....

Yeah there all over priced, but I get good hookup on all of them

"W" 10-02-2009 11:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossHog (Post 55594)
Yeah there all over priced, but I get good hookup on all of them

Boss....Is there a website where I can look at the H&H rods?

Artifishual 10-02-2009 11:36 AM

Falcon Cara T7 is not bad for the $, been using them for awhile with my shimano cores

LaAngler 10-02-2009 11:45 AM

who wants to start a rod and ammo company with me? lol

Jordan 10-02-2009 11:47 AM

I got a new castaway rod. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Time will come. I stick with my wal-mart specials ($40 and under). That's my limit. If I snap it on a fish or snap it while throwing up the tailgate, I'll know I'm not out $400 on a rod

"W" 10-02-2009 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 55600)
I got a new castaway rod. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Time will come. I stick with my wal-mart specials ($40 and under). That's my limit. If I snap it on a fish or snap it while throwing up the tailgate, I'll know I'm not out $400 on a rod


Jordan...Really these rods are not made of Gaftop, drum or hardheads!!! These rods are for real trout fisherman:D

Jordan 10-02-2009 12:02 PM

Get over yourself midget. Need a ladder ?? U act like your the best. Sorry to burst your bubble.

LaAngler 10-02-2009 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossHog (Post 55594)
Yeah there all over priced, but I get good hookup on all of them


well then HOOK ya boy up

"W" 10-02-2009 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 55610)
well then HOOK ya boy up

X2:help:

cmdrost 10-02-2009 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 55600)
I got a new castaway rod. Haven't had a chance to try it out yet. Time will come. I stick with my wal-mart specials ($40 and under). That's my limit. If I snap it on a fish or snap it while throwing up the tailgate, I'll know I'm not out $400 on a rod


Most of the higher end rods have warranties replacing them if just such a thing happens. You could go into Lake Charles Tackle right now, and buy the most expensive Shimano rod they have, go outside, break it in your truck, walk back in, and swap it out for a new one....no questions asked.

Jordan 10-02-2009 01:18 PM

My luck,it wouldn't be as easy. I've heard that LCT was that good. I'll save some money and try it out

LaAngler 10-02-2009 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 55614)
Most of the higher end rods have warranties replacing them if just such a thing happens. You could go into Lake Charles Tackle right now, and buy the most expensive Shimano rod they have, go outside, break it in your truck, walk back in, and swap it out for a new one....no questions asked.

except then your stuck with a shimano rod :rotfl:

daboatman 10-02-2009 02:12 PM

I started off with 20 and 30 dollar rods and now I'm up to 80 to 100 dollar rods. I have slowly gone up with the spending and hoping I'm getting the quality. So far I think I have. I've got Falcons and All Stars. Does Waterloo make an 80 to 100 dollar rod? I can't afford to step up to the next level yet.

"W" 10-02-2009 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by daboatman (Post 55623)
I started off with 20 and 30 dollar rods and now I'm up to 80 to 100 dollar rods. I have slowly gone up with the spending and hoping I'm getting the quality. So far I think I have. I've got Falcons and All Stars. Does Waterloo make an 80 to 100 dollar rod? I can't afford to step up to the next level yet.


Doug....Cheap WaterLoo is about $180-$220 but I promise you this is one of the best rods you ever will use

live to fish 10-02-2009 02:53 PM

I've never fished with a Waterloo, actually this is the first time I have heard of them, I have and still use a couple of Falcons. My favorite is a Shimano. If feel and sensitivity are the selling points of higher end rods, you need to move up to bigger fish.

Jordan 10-02-2009 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by live to fish (Post 55643)
I've never fished with a Waterloo, actually this is the first time I have heard of them, I have and still use a couple of Falcons. My favorite is a Shimano. If feel and sensitivity are the selling points of higher end rods, you need to move up to bigger fish.

Well said brotha !!!!!

huntin fool 10-02-2009 03:38 PM

My favorite rod, is a custom rod made my A.D's rod Co. AWESOME TOPWATER ROD. and for the price he gave me, i'd rather by from him then any other rod company (custom or big name brand)

Jordan 10-02-2009 03:40 PM

Buy me 1. I'll pay for shipping and the rod ..... And....well !?!?!?

fishinpox 10-02-2009 05:13 PM

ive never fished with the waterloo i held one sure it was nice. i dont mind spending top dollar for top dollar stuff. my main rods are falcon cenderi ti 7ft light, falcon cara 7ft med , and the st. croix tourney legend"teaser". my st. croix is the most sensitive, but my cenderi is very sensitive as well but just feels better and it has great casting distance. mabey if i could find a good deal on the waterloo like on the falcon cenderi ( 289.00 rod for 99.00 out the door) then i will give it a shot but untill then im still a falcon man who also like the st croix!!

Salty 10-02-2009 05:39 PM

I threw Bruce's Chronarch/Waterloo combo and my Chronarch/Cenderi ti combo. I'm no tackle expert but I didn't see much difference in the two rods. In fact...gimme a choice and I'll take the Cenderi.

And, yes...Falcon does still make the Cenderi.

fishinpox 10-02-2009 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 55599)
who wants to start a rod and ammo company with me? lol

im game !!

"W" 10-02-2009 06:01 PM

Will let Billy Stix run the rod dept

fishinpox 10-02-2009 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 55691)
Will let Billy Stix run the rod dept

my wife loves hers i used it one or twice only ( cuz its pink) but he does make a great rod

Deadly D 10-02-2009 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 55614)
Most of the higher end rods have warranties replacing them if just such a thing happens. You could go into Lake Charles Tackle right now, and buy the most expensive Shimano rod they have, go outside, break it in your truck, walk back in, and swap it out for a new one....no questions asked.

this is why I went with there rods . Greg and Arron will back them up 100% and they are a good rod

fishinpox 10-02-2009 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrost (Post 55614)
Most of the higher end rods have warranties replacing them if just such a thing happens. You could go into Lake Charles Tackle right now, and buy the most expensive Shimano rod they have, go outside, break it in your truck, walk back in, and swap it out for a new one....no questions asked.

i used to buy shimano for that reason, that is awsome LCT is still doing that. here in BR , bass pro , cabelas, and academy used to do it also no questions asked, untill recently if you dont purchase a bass pro or cabales extended warranty they will not do an over the counter past 30 days you have to deal directly with the manufacture. so now i buy what i want because most high end rod do have a great manufacture warranty but i am alittle more careful because it can be more difficult dealing with the big dogs and it takes longer. if i break a rod in my truck door i would never try to swap it out , but to bad not everyone thinks like that and they take advantage of the situation i dont blame the manuf. for stricter towards returns

Ray 10-02-2009 06:22 PM

I tried All Star Rods and broke one on the first day I used it. They wanted me to pay the shipping to them, plus a $25 fee to fix it and another shipping fee to ship it to me. I chunked it in the can. To me, that is not a good warranty.
I went and tried a Shimano and broke it too. LCT replaced it with no questions. I like that. I didn't even have to show a reciept.
I decided to try the Spiral Stix cause of they sponsored this site. I love the Spiral Stix better than the Shimano. It feels so much better and it chunks the light weight lures I like to use better than the Shimano. I have one and another on the way.
I am not looking to spend a fortune on rods, but I do like the feel of a good rod. Once you throw a good rod, it's hard to go back to something less.
I have spent more $$$ on rods and reels since I started fishing inshore again than I ever did, but I think it is worth it.
I also like the custom rods cause they are that, custom. Built like I want mine to be built, and they look great. My wife crapped a cinder block when I bought the Spiral Stix, but when she looked at it and felt it, she was o.k. with it.
If I can buy custom and she not gripe at me about it, then we are all happy at my house.

"W" 10-02-2009 06:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ray (Post 55706)
I tried All Star Rods and broke one on the first day I used it. They wanted me to pay the shipping to them, plus a $25 fee to fix it and another shipping fee to ship it to me. I chunked it in the can. To me, that is not a good warranty.
I went and tried a Shimano and broke it too. LCT replaced it with no questions. I like that. I didn't even have to show a reciept.
I decided to try the Spiral Stix cause of they sponsored this site. I love the Spiral Stix better than the Shimano. It feels so much better and it chunks the light weight lures I like to use better than the Shimano. I have one and another on the way.
I am not looking to spend a fortune on rods, but I do like the feel of a good rod. Once you throw a good rod, it's hard to go back to something less.
I have spent more $$$ on rods and reels since I started fishing inshore again than I ever did, but I think it is worth it.
I also like the custom rods cause they are that, custom. Built like I want mine to be built, and they look great. My wife crapped a cinder block when I bought the Spiral Stix, but when she looked at it and felt it, she was o.k. with it.
If I can buy custom and she not gripe at me about it, then we are all happy at my house.


Ray...Next time your in I want to try one of Billy's Rods..... Im going to get him to make me a light action one!!! Just want to feel one so I know what way to go on the action

slip knot 10-02-2009 06:27 PM

Well said Ray. ...SK

LaAngler 10-02-2009 06:48 PM

bottom line is that waterloo/laguna are charging too much

Ray 10-02-2009 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 55708)
Ray...Next time your in I want to try one of Billy's Rods..... Im going to get him to make me a light action one!!! Just want to feel one so I know what way to go on the action

I will be off work for 3 weeks when I get off. I get off Oct. 13th till Nov. 3rd.

jlincecum 10-02-2009 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordan (Post 55615)
My luck,it wouldn't be as easy. I've heard that LCT was that good. I'll save some money and try it out


its just that easy. i broke one of my crucials last sunday morning. walked in and before i could say anything they took it from me, found the replacement and handed it over. thats one of the main reasons i have shimano rods.

Deadly D 10-02-2009 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jlincecum (Post 55734)
its just that easy. i broke one of my crucials last sunday morning. walked in and before i could say anything they took it from me, found the replacement and handed it over. thats one of the main reasons i have shimano rods.

I love my crucial

billystix custom rods 10-02-2009 07:16 PM

"w"
let me know what you have in mind and i will see what i can do for you, it's getting pretty busy and as usal i am behind.
I ordered a couple more of the vipers to day.
But i have plenty of nice light rods for you to try.
Stix

Artifishual 10-02-2009 08:07 PM

waterloo,gloomis,laguna= ****, get yourself a BillyStix or ****

CatDaddy 10-02-2009 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Artifishual (Post 55769)
waterloo,gloomis,laguna= ****, get yourself a BillyStix or ****

:amen: ................ Or a falcon... But i loves me a billy stix

Montauk17 10-02-2009 09:06 PM

Nobody likes castaway?

CatDaddy 10-02-2009 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Montak17 (Post 55799)
Nobody likes castaway?


Never fished with one, so i couldnt say..I have played with a few in academy and they feel like some nice rods...

BossHog 10-02-2009 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LaAngler (Post 55726)
bottom line is that waterloo/laguna are charging too much

Well I know one thing when your winning as much money as I have fishing over the past years since high school, equipment is just a tool of the trade and you start to realize the difference in a good rod and a awesome rod....LaAngler I started my career putting it on you and your buddies in highschool lol.....just messing withya lmao

"W" 10-03-2009 07:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossHog (Post 55871)
Well I know one thing when your winning as much money as I have fishing over the past years since high school, equipment is just a tool of the trade and you start to realize the difference in a good rod and a awesome rod....LaAngler I started my career putting it on you and your buddies in highschool lol.....just messing withya lmao




:rotfl::*****::rotfl::work:

TBlood 10-03-2009 10:12 AM

Waterloo with a core my best set up and love it! I like the core on a Laguna, but the dang tips keep breaking about 4" down :confused:?

LA, if we could predict a few more dry years like this one, we could open a feed, rod/reel, and ammo store.

BossHog 10-03-2009 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TBlood (Post 55946)
Waterloo with a core my best set up and love it! I like the core on a Laguna, but the dang tips keep breaking about 4" down :confused:?

LA, if we could predict a few more dry years like this one, we could open a feed, rod/reel, and ammo store.

We had about a 12 lagunas and every single one broke 3-6 inchs from the tip within 3 months of using them. I broke both of mine the first week I had them.


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