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Reefman 02-07-2012 10:00 AM

Do you guys like the fresh water flushing of BL?
 
I know most would prefer higher salinity levels going into spring time, but I personally believe a strong influx of fresh water will do the BL basin a tremendous amount of good for the estuary in the long term. Marsh in the surrounding areas will benefit greatly along with a healthy dose of nutrients for larval survival. Your thoughts?

"W" 02-07-2012 10:01 AM

Yes..its always good to get a big shot of Fresh water in BIG lake

Ray 02-07-2012 10:19 AM

Oysters prefer saltwater. Marshes getting enuff saltwater from the rain. They's full now.
I'm ready for the rain to stop. My grass in the back yard is almost ankle deep and it is
too wet to mow.

DUCKGOGETTER 02-07-2012 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by reefman (Post 389177)
i know most would prefer higher salinity levels going into spring time, but i personally believe a strong influx of fresh water will do the bl basin a tremendous amount of good for the estuary in the long term. Marsh in the surrounding areas will benefit greatly along with a healthy dose of nutrients for larval survival. Your thoughts?


it will help for sure in our marsh in gc for the vegetation to grow back this summer. Come on teal season let's rock n roll. Too soon?

Reefman 02-07-2012 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DUCKGOGETTER (Post 389191)
it will help for sure in our marsh in gc for the vegetation to grow back this summer. Come on teal season let's rock n roll. Too soon?

Too Soon??? Absolutely not! 29 weeks and counting Chris! If we can keep a steady supply of fresh water through GC this summer, things will be really great by Sept.!

How long can oysters survive in low salinities? Verm Bay seems to have great production of oysters even with our 4 months of fresh river water in early summer.....

Salty 02-07-2012 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray (Post 389186)
Oysters prefer saltwater. Marshes getting enuff saltwater from the rain. They's full now.
I'm ready for the rain to stop. My grass in the back yard is almost ankle deep and it is
too wet to mow.

:eek:

Ray 02-07-2012 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 389195)
:eek:


Screwed that up, didn't I.
Meant freshwater.

2ndamendment 02-07-2012 12:30 PM

Let mother nature do her thing

Ray 02-07-2012 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndamendment (Post 389224)
Let mother nature do her thing

Can't, man put the levee around the East side, dug the ship channel and set the weirs.
That's what screwed it up to start with. Too much saltwater back there.
Drought caused a lot more saltwater to come in that normal. Killed off a buttload of good grass, causing more errosion.
Saltwater is killing them on the North side of Vermillion Bay also.

Salty 02-07-2012 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray (Post 389220)
Screwed that up, didn't I.
Meant freshwater.

I knew whatcha meant. :cool:

Ray 02-07-2012 01:25 PM

Ima lil smarter than I look.

"W" 02-07-2012 01:35 PM

Fresh water means joe,s cove is on..

Ray 02-07-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 389251)
Fresh water means joe,s cove is on..


Shhhh.:pissed:

"W" 02-07-2012 02:06 PM

There is actually a know keep secrect of a place that keeps saltwater even when you have lots of freshwater ...... No body really knows why it don't drain or flush but you can have 1000% fresh water in turners and this place will be around 5ppm

I over herd Jeff Poe talking about this area..and it hold true
3 years ago when we had a real wet winter and spring...no one was catching fish but one of his guides was smashing them everyday in this area...and right now the salinity is higher than the south part of lake

Reefman 02-07-2012 02:11 PM

Do you feel the specks move out of the fresher water to the south part of the lake? I have always thought that there is a salty layer of water on the bottom with the fresh water on top. The specks in my opinion don't move that much with dropping salinities, however their feeding habits become different. Fish stay on the bottom until levels rise. I fish mostly VB and do find that we can catch fish in rather muddy fresh water. They do hug the bottom with the baits needing to be slowly worked. Ever notice the color difference of specks caught in a low salinity area?

"W" 02-07-2012 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefman (Post 389261)
Do you feel the specks move out of the fresher water to the south part of the lake? I have always thought that there is a salty layer of water on the bottom with the fresh water on top. The specks in my opinion don't move that much with dropping salinities, however their feeding habits become different. Fish stay on the bottom until levels rise. I fish mostly VB and do find that we can catch fish in rather muddy fresh waterk. They do hug the bottom with the baits needing to be slowly worked. Ever notice the color difference of specks caught in a low salinity area?

Yea..100% they move when salinity falls..females for sure, males can stand lower salinity than females but the move

Raymond 02-07-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefman (Post 389261)
Do you feel the specks move out of the fresher water to the south part of the lake? I have always thought that there is a salty layer of water on the bottom with the fresh water on top. The specks in my opinion don't move that much with dropping salinities, however their feeding habits become different. Fish stay on the bottom until levels rise. I fish mostly VB and do find that we can catch fish in rather muddy fresh water. They do hug the bottom with the baits needing to be slowly worked. Ever notice the color difference of specks caught in a low salinity area?

This should change that.................

http://www.laseagrant.org/

Smalls 02-07-2012 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 389258)
There is actually a know keep secrect of a place that keeps saltwater even when you have lots of freshwater ...... No body really knows why it don't drain or flush but you can have 1000% fresh water in turners and this place will be around 5ppm

I over herd Jeff Poe talking about this area..and it hold true
3 years ago when we had a real wet winter and spring...no one was catching fish but one of his guides was smashing them everyday in this area...and right now the salinity is higher than the south part of lake


Hahaha, good joke.

Reefman 02-07-2012 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 389263)
This should change that.................

http://www.laseagrant.org/


Thanks for that info Raymond....very interesting grafts and such....still doesn't change my opinion on how and why I fish cetain areas of VB w/ low salinities.

"W" 02-07-2012 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 389264)
Hahaha, good joke.

Why is it a joke.. Bet me and I will prove you wrong

Ray 02-07-2012 03:20 PM

Deeper water does holds salinity down below the fresh water.

Smalls 02-07-2012 03:22 PM

That so called spot that stays saltier than everything around? That stays at 5 ppm? 5 ppm is .005 ppt, which is pretty much fresh.

"W" 02-07-2012 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 389296)
That so called spot that stays saltier than everything around? That stays at 5 ppm? 5 ppm is .005 ppt, which is pretty much fresh.

My bad 5ppt

Salty 02-07-2012 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Reefman (Post 389261)
Do you feel the specks move out of the fresher water to the south part of the lake? I have always thought that there is a salty layer of water on the bottom with the fresh water on top. The specks in my opinion don't move that much with dropping salinities, however their feeding habits become different. Fish stay on the bottom until levels rise. I fish mostly VB and do find that we can catch fish in rather muddy fresh water. They do hug the bottom with the baits needing to be slowly worked. Ever notice the color difference of specks caught in a low salinity area?

Saltwater is heavier than fresh, so, yes, the fresh sits on top. This is why they call it "The Wedge" when the Mississippi River is low and saltwater pushes as far north as Lake Jackson. It wedges underneath the river water. I've caught plenty of fish in Delacroix when the river water was on top.

Smalls 02-07-2012 03:34 PM

Ah, that makes more sense. Still not that salty, but way more believable now.

Ray 02-07-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 389302)
Saltwater is heavier than fresh, so, yes, the fresh sits on top. This is why they call it "The Wedge" when the Mississippi River is low and saltwater pushes as far north as Lake Jackson. It wedges underneath the river water. I've caught plenty of fish in Delacroix when the river water was on top.


Lake Jackson or Fort Jackson???:work:

Duck Butter 02-07-2012 04:00 PM

Was playing Army in Belle Chasse after Katrina hit and we would get off work and catch limits of redfish right off the bank of the MS River there in December. Water was at pool stage, no rain, had almost 2.5 feet clarity in the MS RIVER! Was awesome, the catfish would bite at night and they were slap full of corn from where they loaded corn onto the barges, a few rains up north sent the reds back south though.

Salty 02-07-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray (Post 389305)
Lake Jackson or Fort Jackson???:work:

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Originally Posted by Ray (Post 389220)
Screwed that up, didn't I.
Meant Fort.

;)

2ndamendment 02-07-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 389317)
Was playing Army in Belle Chasse after Katrina hit and we would get off work and catch limits of redfish right off the bank of the MS River there in December. Water was at pool stage, no rain, had almost 2.5 feet clarity in the MS RIVER! Was awesome, the catfish would bite at night and they were slap full of corn from where they loaded corn onto the barges, a few rains up north sent the reds back south though.


Redfish or speckled trout? Do redfish have a higher tolerance to fresh water in respect of salinity being low from the top of the column to the bottom?

Ray 02-07-2012 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndamendment (Post 389332)
Redfish or speckled trout? Do redfish have a higher tolerance to fresh water in respect of salinity being low from the top of the column to the bottom?

Redfish can take freshwater and lower temperatures better than Trout.
But that don't mean there are no Trout there. Just not as many as Reds.

Duck Butter 02-07-2012 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by 2ndamendment (Post 389332)
Redfish or speckled trout? Do redfish have a higher tolerance to fresh water in respect of salinity being low from the top of the column to the bottom?

Like Ray said, redfish can be caught in almost pure freshwater at times.

meaux fishing 02-07-2012 04:42 PM

Redfish can actually live in freshwater lakes they just cant spawn in freshwater

Duck Butter 02-07-2012 04:42 PM

I would think (I have only fished W's Lake ten times or so, so no expert) that the LNG canal would be plenty salty still after this rain. It is deep and sheltered from a large influx of freshwater, there is only that one little bayou that runs into it. Even when the main lake looks like hot chocolate after a big rainstorm, that canal is always clear. That is where I would be if I had to go this weekend to catch trout.

Duck Butter 02-07-2012 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 389341)
Redfish can actually live in freshwater lakes they just cant spawn in freshwater

aha, wonder what the deal is with that?

meaux fishing 02-07-2012 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Duck Butter (Post 389343)
aha, wonder what the deal is with that?

my guess is probably has something to do with the density of saltwater makes the eggs more buoyant. Im not sure if they dont produce eggs in freshwater or they just cant fertilize them

Ray 02-07-2012 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by meaux fishing (Post 389341)
Redfish can actually live in freshwater lakes they just cant spawn in freshwater

Big Burns is fulla Reds from Rita and Ike. It's fresh.

Smalls 02-07-2012 06:38 PM

Most "salties" can't reproduce in freshwater because it takes more energy for them to survive in freshwater.....same principle that allows bullsharks to live in freshwater, they adjust the amount of urea they excrete so that they do not absorb too much water....but, it takes more energy to do this, and that is why they generally can't reproduce in freshwater...its a lot of chemistry that I dont want to bore anyone with, but that would be my best explanation for the phenomenon...

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2ndamendment 02-07-2012 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smalls (Post 389361)
Most "salties" can't reproduce in freshwater because it takes more energy for them to survive in freshwater.....same principle that allows bullsharks to live in freshwater, they adjust the amount of urea they excrete so that they do not absorb too much water....but, it takes more energy to do this, and that is why they generally can't reproduce in freshwater...its a lot of chemistry that I dont want to bore anyone with, but that would be my best explanation for the phenomenon...

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Please bore us with the chemistry. The audience here seeks to learn more about saltwater fish and the reproduction.

Montauk17 02-07-2012 07:14 PM

I catch reds in grand lake when the water is as salty as toledo bend,don't bother them one bit. Trout are a lil more picky.

"W" 02-07-2012 07:19 PM

Reds will not reproduce in freshwater

Slidellkid 02-07-2012 07:50 PM

This is good stuff, keep it comin.

Salty 02-07-2012 07:56 PM

When I went fishin' in Lower Laguna Madre, an old salt down there said that the water gets so salty during a dry spring that the trout actually leave. I dunked one of my reels while wading and by the time I got home it was rusted up. That water is like battery acid.

Salty 02-07-2012 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 389377)
Reds will not reproduce in freshwater

Maybe that's why the bulls spawn offshore.

"W" 02-07-2012 08:31 PM

Big Burns is full of reds from Rita..my uncle has a camp in little Chenier and the 1st year they caught lots of under size reds now almost everything is keepers....those reds are not reproducing in Miami Corp...they will die out over years... Bull red has to have above 10ppt to reproduce

meaux fishing 02-07-2012 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 389377)
Reds will not reproduce in freshwater

That's what spawn means just incase you didn't realize ;)

lavocat 02-08-2012 04:29 PM

No you see I am just the opposite of the redfish. I will reproduce in fresh water but it just burns too much in salt water!

bmac 02-08-2012 04:47 PM

There is a reservoir around San Antonio that is stocked with reds. I worked on a few wells around there but never got a chance to check it out. Like people here said they don't spawn in the freshwater so the city stocks them.

Edit: calaveras lake and braunig lake. I guess it's the tpwd that stocks them

http://www.fishtrips.com/2011freshwaterpictures1.html

capt coonassty 02-08-2012 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 389404)
When I went fishin' in Lower Laguna Madre, an old salt down there said that the water gets so salty during a dry spring that the trout actually leave. I dunked one of my reels while wading and by the time I got home it was rusted up. That water is like battery acid.

During droughts its not uncommon to see 50-60ppt due to evaporation.

meaux fishing 02-09-2012 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 389862)
During droughts its not uncommon to see 50-60ppt due to evaporation.

:eek:I didnt even know that was possible. Is that area not affected by tides or something? I mean the ocean is generally around 35ppt...

Dink 02-09-2012 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Salty (Post 389404)
When I went fishin' in Lower Laguna Madre, an old salt down there said that the water gets so salty during a dry spring that the trout actually leave. I dunked one of my reels while wading and by the time I got home it was rusted up. That water is like battery acid.

Same thing happened to a curado last summer in Padre. Reel still isn't the same.......


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