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bayouchub 07-14-2011 05:05 PM

Are plastic fishermen more talented than live bait fishermen...
 
Just wondering?

ScubaLatt 07-14-2011 05:08 PM

popping corn and chilling down beer for this one. Its' gonna get interesting...:shaking:

Mediumheavyaction6'6 07-14-2011 05:09 PM

Ask here in Louisiana and you would probably get a yes. Go to Florida and they would say hell no! I think if you take two fishermen who have found fish and one is catching them on artificial and the other is using live bait the one on arti is more talented in my opinion. Fishing with the natural bait should be an advantage.

"W" 07-14-2011 05:10 PM

O yea...by far....no talent in live bait...... Dip , slip, soak and stroke

PUREBAY2200 07-14-2011 05:13 PM

Still gotta find the fish.......

"W" 07-14-2011 05:13 PM

Also.... I have been out fishing all the live shrimp soakers....on topwater.....lmao

Dude pulled up to us cleaning trout..said damn live shrimp?? I said what is that? Said look at the rods.....

PUREBAY2200 07-14-2011 05:15 PM

Still gotta set the hook & keep em on the hook.....

Live bait don't get em in the boat any easier..... Just draws a strike with less work...

"W" 07-14-2011 05:16 PM

Ptfff.... Khal hook will get them a whole lot better than a jig head

Montauk17 07-14-2011 05:19 PM

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PUREBAY2200 07-14-2011 05:21 PM

True...... But most of Ur live bait guys dont fish Alot.... They want fish.... Style don't matter.
It def takes more skill on plastic..... But live bait ain't a guarantee.....

longcast 07-14-2011 05:26 PM

IMO yes people who fish artificial are more talented. You have to put the puzzle together like color,water column ,speed of retrieve,and have a feel for that strike. I think you have to put way more work to become good with artificial.

Tex Dawg 07-14-2011 05:31 PM

I have been told if your not wading & if you fish from a boat, you need to fish dead shrimp, so wade fishing with artifical takes talent.

huntin fool 07-14-2011 05:32 PM

Lord here we go with another one of these discussions.

Just like :"Are bass fisherman better than Saltwater"

Mediumheavyaction6'6 07-14-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by longcast (Post 286555)
IMO yes people who fish artificial are more talented. You have to put the puzzle together like color,water column ,speed of retrieve,and have a feel for that strike. I think you have to put way more work to become good with artificial.

this should end the discussion, it can't be said any better. Unfortunately, a few will try.

"W" 07-14-2011 05:37 PM

I know this....next month...I'm going sit on my hole on the channel with some mullet and stick some Hogs......no talent...but I know where they at,,,,,,,

huntin fool 07-14-2011 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 286564)
I know this....next month...I'm going sit on my hole on the channel with some mullet and stick some Hogs......no talent...but I know where they at,,,,,,,

$500 bucks and I'll sell the cords to this spot guys.

BaseballFisherman 07-14-2011 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 286541)
Also.... I have been out fishing all the live shrimp soakers....on topwater.....lmao

Dude pulled up to us cleaning trout..said damn live shrimp?? I said what is that? Said look at the rods.....


X2. I limited this morning by 9:00 and almost all of my fish were caught on topwater, just a handful on jigs. IMO, the "talent" aspect of an artificial lure fisherman has more to do with locating the fish and being able to present a piece of plastic in front of them and convincing them to eat it. If you just go out and throw live bait somewhere you are bound to eventually catch something. Yes it does take more "skill" to work an artificial lure and present it properly as opposed to chunking out a live shrimp on a popping cork and staring at it until it goes under. I probably caught twice as many fish as my buddy that fished with me today, and we both used the same topwater bait, the same rod, same reel, and same line. I think I just jiggled it a little better than him :) So maybe "talent" isn't the best word for this occasion, "skill" might be a better one. IMO it is more satisfying and more thrilling to catch fish on artificial anyway, and I don't bother with live bait at all.

"W" 07-14-2011 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by huntin fool (Post 286567)
$500 bucks and I'll sell the cords to this spot guys.


And for free ill show yall how 2 use chopped up fool for cut bait

longcast 07-14-2011 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 286572)
And for free ill show yall how 2 use chopped up fool for cut bait

Haha.

longcast 07-14-2011 05:54 PM

I will fish live bait if I have someone with me who does not really fish. My wife is one of them. This sat I'm gonna be soaking live bait bc my lil brother is flying in from nj and does not fish. Gotta do it. I just want him to catch a few fish.

PaulMyers 07-14-2011 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by longcast (Post 286575)
I will fish live bait if I have someone with me who does not really fish.

Or when your fishing by yourself, Correct? ;) :p

I hope you can put him on the fish Jason, Good Luck

Kenner18 07-14-2011 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by longcast (Post 286575)
I will fish live bait if I have someone with me who does not really fish. My wife is one of them. This sat I'm gonna be soaking live bait bc my lil brother is flying in from nj and does not fish. Gotta do it. I just want him to catch a few fish.

I pretty much do the same . But Im not afraid to use live when all else fails.

specknation 07-14-2011 06:01 PM

Live bait should be outlawed takes all the skill out of fishing, do you know if they did that how many people would sell there bay boats. People who fish bait are the ones that
leave you a 6 foot wake while asking you how are you doing, also the guy that pulls up to you after watching u catch a fish and throws a 700 lb. anchor toward you boat. Simply put live bait is for people who can not catch fish on plastics.

longcast 07-14-2011 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 286580)
Or when your fishing by yourself, Correct? ;) :p

I hope you can put him on the fish Jason, Good Luck

Hahah. Those are the best days. Just Chillin.

"W" 07-14-2011 06:09 PM

Live bait fisherman is the guy who watches you catch 5 trout on plastic and tolls wide open up wind and takes 10 times to set his anchor....and by this time the trout are in the Gulf....but he will smash some gaftop and sheep head and smile like he is a great white fisherman

PaulMyers 07-14-2011 06:16 PM

I am a live bait fisherman some days and I have done none of the things you "specknation" or you "W" speak of.

I also do not appreciate you both saying I do by lumping all live bait fishermen as that kind of person.

specknation 07-14-2011 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 286593)
I am a live bait fisherman some days and I have done none of the things you "specknation" or you "W" speak of.

I also do not appreciate you both saying I do by lumping all live bait fishermen as that kind of person.

I did not mean to offend you, I am just calling like i see it I am sure there are some live bait guys who do not do that. Just every time that has happen to me the corks and hoes come flying toward my boat.

ckinchen 07-14-2011 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 286593)
I am a live bait fisherman some days and I have done none of the things you "specknation" or you "W" speak of.

I also do not appreciate you both saying I do by lumping all live bait fishermen as that kind of person.

Agreed, my kids fish with me 80% of the time and we use live bait most of the time in the summer. You won't find me doing any of the things that are discussed on this site. We prefer to use artifical bait but live at least in the summer usually keeps my kids on the fish.

Regarding this topic, W and many others are much better fishermen than me, no doubt about it. I catch fish when I go and my kids have a good time, that is all that I am in this for. You guys can call me popping cork chicken or whatever you want to call me. As long as my kids and wife have a good time fishing on the boat I don't care what any of you on this site or on our lake think of my fishing skills.

"W" 07-14-2011 06:29 PM

Just saying...the higher percentage of live bait users are pilgrims....like that dummy on BL411 site.... He just sticks in my head because of how stupid he is and his lack of knowledge is unreal...

He has a Champion Boat....drives right up to the reef from north to south...right before he gets to his GPS dot he makes a half moon,,,but did not know he just ran over the whole reef....drops his trolling motor...trolls right at me and chunks his live shrimp....catches two trout...(Now I have 60 and was limited out 4 hours ago and on my way in) so I just pick up and leave!! He goes makes a post with 10 trout(3 in boat) and says... I showed a guide up because he gave me a mean look and saw me ripping trout in so he left!!!! Lmao.....this is a true idiot..... I called him out on that site and showed him what a dummy he was and he tried to lie and then I posted the pic of him in his boat.....then he said the guy he was talking about was not me.......idiot...every time I see a 22ft White Champion boat my veins stick out.....

fishinpox 07-14-2011 06:30 PM

Live bait for wimmensss ,churns and august15-30 !

SaltyShaw 07-14-2011 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 286564)
I know this....next month...I'm going sit on my hole on the channel with some mullet and stick some Hogs......no talent...but I know where they at,,,,,,,

I hope your not talking about where I think your talking about........

"W" 07-14-2011 06:33 PM

And this is not about kids using live bait....all kids almost need to use it...or they will grow mean and grumpy like me....because my dad would not let me use live shrimp and I would watch the boats next to us catch 500 fish and I would catch 5 all day,,,,,,,

specknation 07-14-2011 06:43 PM

I have always look at live bait fisherman as being lazy, with proper teaching anybody can produce nice catches using artifical. To introduce kids to the sport live bait could help, but my comments were intended for adults also. With the advancements of plastics and hard baits wow you are missing out not using them. All i can say if you use live bait do yourself a favor and tie on a saltwater swimbait.

huntin fool 07-14-2011 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 286606)
And this is not about kids using live bait....all kids almost need to use it...or they will grow mean and grumpy like me....because my dad would not let me use live shrimp and I would watch the boats next to us catch 500 fish and I would catch 5 all day,,,,,,,

It was frowned upon at an early age to use live bait, especially in bass fishing.

As you can see in the corner of this bucket mouth.. 5 years old and still goin' strong

huntin fool 07-14-2011 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SaltyShaw (Post 286603)
I hope your not talking about where I think your talking about........

SHHHHH kade.. or no Triple Tail for you! :eek::cool:

chugbug2000 07-14-2011 06:49 PM

Yes I think that using plastics over live have more talent for your average fisherman, but when it comes to catching trophy trout, I think it is about equal. I think it takes some skill to fish live croakers for some big girls, just have to have that right feeling, waiting, let them run & know when to set the hook. I dont fish much with croakers so maybe its just me. The main thing I like about fishing is getting out there with your freinds and having a good time and making memories.

trophytroutman 07-14-2011 06:50 PM

No question about it!!!No talent in soaking live bait.

SaltyShaw 07-14-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by huntin fool (Post 286619)
SHHHHH kade.. or no Triple Tail for you! :eek::cool:

HAHA Roger Roger :smokin:

specknation 07-14-2011 06:58 PM

The next two months the trout fishing in my area slows big time on plastics, I simply chase reds in the duck ponds with spinner baits and spoons and let the live bait guys
have it until middle Sept.

"W" 07-14-2011 07:05 PM

Fool...who taught u how to catch trout on plastic???? Let em know

PaulMyers 07-14-2011 07:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 286627)
Fool...who taught u how to catch trout on plastic???? Let em know

Mr. "W" I'm guessing????

huntin fool 07-14-2011 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by "W" (Post 286627)
Fool...who taught u how to catch trout on plastic???? Let em know

The same midget who needs to check his pm

"W" 07-14-2011 07:11 PM

Only thing fool knew how to catch trout on was pogy......when I took him over!!!! Taught him how to trick them trout with a sand eel....he caught on fast

huntin fool 07-14-2011 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by "W" (Post 286630)
Only thing fool knew how to catch trout on was pogy......when I took him over!!!! Taught him how to trick them trout with a sand eel....he caught on fast

it was mullet. not pogey.

inchspinner 07-14-2011 07:32 PM

to me live bait is to MEAT HAUL....granite I dont like live but i be damned if i spend 50 bucks in gas and too proud to admit i throw live to cqtch some trout, red, flounder....the only reason...im not trying to trick em with a chart top water fake bait, im trying to EAT em.....on the other hand they want REAL bait some times.....Skill wise art. is trying to imitate REAL....admit it...its better on art. because you tricked em...try and eat a plastic steak would you....hmmmm only if it looked REAL....point said you still have to find emmmmm...if i win the starr with REAL bait do i win the boat...........ummm yes suhhhhh...but art. takes more skill.....take that to the bank....and agree....the truth will set you freee...lol.

1fastmerc 07-14-2011 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulmyers (Post 286593)
i am a live bait fisherman some days and i have done none of the things you "specknation" or you "w" speak of.

I also do not appreciate you both saying i do by lumping all live bait fishermen as that kind of person.

x100000000

Montauk17 07-14-2011 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 286593)
I am a live bait fisherman some days and I have done none of the things you "specknation" or you "W" speak of.

I also do not appreciate you both saying I do by lumping all live bait fishermen as that kind of person.

Well said sir....someone gotta keep em in check

SaltyShaw 07-14-2011 07:46 PM

Welllllllllllll I can sit on side of you and catch, maybe not as much as you, but while your slinging in pickles im slingin 1-3lb trout in the boat with a sand eel or topwater.
You may catch 100 fish but my 30 will be mostly solid fish sometimes you get in a school of dinks and thats all you pull of of it but most of the time there are a little bit bigger fish hanging around the area.
Live Bait = 0 skill
Artificial = Basic Skill and will produce better fish, most of the time

Live bait im talking about skrimps not mullet still no skill but them mullet put some good fish in the boat as well as hard heads, reds, gaftop etc.

inchspinner 07-14-2011 07:50 PM

x2 shaw, live=lazy man beeer drinking times, dont think i wont, because i do sometimes....lol,

jchief 07-14-2011 07:52 PM

I agree with Paul 100% on this one. I fish both regularly.


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