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Montauk17 01-05-2011 09:45 PM

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Gas prices are slowly creeping up,hope it does not hit 4.00 by summer like they claim it will. I sure hope there wrong this will hurt me in the pocketbook and our customers. 4.00 a gallon for gas= less people fishing. :pissed:

PaulMyers 01-05-2011 09:49 PM

You trying to put me out of business? j/k. ;-)

southern151 01-05-2011 09:51 PM

Get ready because it's likely to get there and yes, I'll fish even less then.

I'm sure some turbine-clad "prince" needs a new indoor snow skiing slope in the middle of the desert!

Montauk17 01-05-2011 09:53 PM

It will put alot of people out of business. Summer of 2008 when gas was that high we made it by the skin on our teeth in the marine business. Maybe I should go work for you paul :D

Montauk17 01-05-2011 09:54 PM


Jordan 01-05-2011 09:58 PM

It's $3.09 in rosepine

LPfishnTIM 01-05-2011 10:01 PM

its 2.85 in walker!

SaltyShaw 01-05-2011 10:19 PM

I use plus . . . . $3.00 a gal in Lake Chuck, and from the looks and sounds of things because of the moratorium gas prices will hit 4 bucks!
That will blow the sack!

Montauk17 01-05-2011 10:23 PM

I have a hot tune in my truck,gotta use 93 octane. Just payed 3.10 a gallon in lafayette. Guess I will be taking it out soon.

PaulMyers 01-05-2011 10:25 PM

Ryan, it makes my paychecks seem smaller also. :o 1 time after RITA it cost me 125.00 to fill up my lead sled. That's just 2 weeks to work and back. Maybe I should get me a 4 stroke when I order my Haynie.

Raymond 01-05-2011 10:30 PM

Blame obammer for this one, he needs 4$ + gaz to make his Green Energy cost effective!
BP was the best thing that could have ever happened as far as he is concerned."Never let a good crisis go to waste"! The speculators are driving this along with the moratorium and the Socialist are loving it.
Where are all the talkingheads now that gaz prices are back where they were when the "W" was in office?? Guess obammer had nothing to do with our current problem!

Montauk17 01-05-2011 10:31 PM

No doubt....I may be getting a kayak soon :D

Ray 01-05-2011 10:32 PM

Diesel went up 25 cents while I was offshore.

FF_T_Warren 01-05-2011 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Raymond (Post 217406)
Blame obammer for this one, he needs 4$ + gaz to make his Green Energy cost effective!
BP was the best thing that could have ever happened as far as he is concerned."Never let a good crisis go to waste"! The speculators are driving this along with the moratorium and the Socialist are loving it.
Where are all the talkingheads now that gaz prices are back where they were when the "W" was in office?? Guess obammer had nothing to do with our current problem!

a lil over half way done with that clown. lets just hope people have at least wizened up enough to not re-elect him. come on 2012

southern151 01-05-2011 10:42 PM

Perfect timing!! I should be done with a crew cab, 1 ton dually diesel in the next couple of weeks! I had bought it to sell and I'm sure that I'll wind up having to give it away to get out of it!

Finfeatherfur 01-05-2011 10:51 PM

I would bet that gas will be over $4.50/gal and will continue to go up as long as we have to rely on foreign oil!

Let's hug a tree, kiss a politician, and grab our wallets! Got to love the USA!!!!!

southern151 01-05-2011 10:53 PM

If you grab for your wallet, you may find a politicians hand already in there!

Montauk17 01-05-2011 10:55 PM

Some say it will rise to 5.00 by 2012. What a great way to stimulate the economy while we are already in a huge hole we cannot get out of. Gotta love it

PaulMyers 01-05-2011 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by southern151 (Post 217431)
If you grab for your wallet, you may find a politicians hand already in there!

They're way to fast to get caught!

longsidelandry 01-05-2011 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulMyers (Post 217401)
Ryan, it makes my paychecks seem smaller also. :o 1 time after RITA it cost me 125.00 to fill up my lead sled. That's just 2 weeks to work and back. Maybe I should get me a 4 stroke when I order my Haynie.

When I had my Tahoe, I was putting $125 of gas 2-3 times a week sometimes.


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PaulMyers 01-05-2011 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by longsidelandry (Post 217435)
When I had my Tahoe, I was putting $125 of gas 2-3 times a week sometimes.


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now I don't feel so bad, thanks. ;)

speck-chaser 01-05-2011 11:25 PM

Higher prices and more ethanol. If one dont get us, the other one will!!!

LaAngler 01-06-2011 12:43 AM

Commodities are outperforming everything else right now, the bubble will expand then bust again in my opinion.

Obama isn't helping anything BUT we can't exactly hope to flood the global market with domestic oil any do any good. There's some "high seas" on the horizon for this country, I don't think we're totally out of the trouble, be shocked if the housing market starts to rebound anytime soon.

"W" 01-06-2011 12:55 AM

Job security for me!!! As long as we keep selling it!!! I get paid

eman 01-06-2011 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Montauk17 (Post 217352)
Gas prices are slowly creeping up,hope it does not hit 4.00 by summer like they claim it will. I sure hope there wrong this will hurt me in the pocketbook and our customers. 4.00 a gallon for gas= less people fishing. :pissed:

This is the BS way that the y are raising the price on fuel.
If it goes up to $4 a gallon like the are going to let happen. Then it drops to $3.00 everyone will be happy it dropped.
But guess what/ it just rose .50 a gallon and your happy.
Been doing this since the " gas shortages" in the 70s
sits at one price goes up .90 a gallon and then drops .50 a gallon
Everyone is happy it went down.
If this keeps up $4 a gallon will be the normal price per gallon by 2012
and most will be happy to pay it since it dropped from $4.85 gal.

SaltyShaw 01-06-2011 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by eman (Post 217473)
This is the BS way that the y are raising the price on fuel.
If it goes up to $4 a gallon like the are going to let happen. Then it drops to $3.00 everyone will be happy it dropped.
But guess what/ it just rose .50 a gallon and your happy.
Been doing this since the " gas shortages" in the 70s
sits at one price goes up .90 a gallon and then drops .50 a gallon
Everyone is happy it went down.
If this keeps up $4 a gallon will be the normal price per gallon by 2012
and most will be happy to pay it since it dropped from $4.85 gal.

:amen:

Montauk17 01-06-2011 08:29 AM

No matter how you look at it we are getting raped with no lube by the gov. What else is new?

"W" 01-06-2011 08:38 AM

We are a communist gov. They control gas , healthcare, your retirement,your taxes and soon your guns!!! They will have to kill me before they take my guns

yak'em-n-stack'em 01-06-2011 08:43 AM

Don't blame it on the countless producing the oil.

Gas should cost between 60-90 cents a gallon if you look at production costs
You can blame the American government for allowing oil to be traded on the market

Makes no sense to me

Finfeatherfur 01-06-2011 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by yak'em-n-stack'em (Post 217492)
Don't blame it on the countless producing the oil.

Gas should cost between 60-90 cents a gallon if you look at production costs
You can blame the American government for allowing oil to be traded on the market

Makes no sense to me

Yak - not trying to bust your bubble, but stick to what you know!!!!!! And you surely don't know what it cost to produce a gallon of gas! You also don't know what the profit margin is on a BBL of crude. You would be amazed at how many companies do NOT make a profit at $75/BBL. For that you can thank the government!

Wag 01-06-2011 09:02 AM

Exxon 3rd Quarter Profit

From: http://www.businessweek.com/news/201...six-years.html

Sales rose 16 percent to $95.3 billion and profit from oil and gas wells climbed 36 percent to $5.47 billion. Profit from company’s refineries more than tripled to $1.16 billion as the margin between the cost of crude and the price of gasoline and diesel widened. Exxon’s chemicals business posted a 40 percent profit increase to $1.23 billion.

southern151 01-06-2011 09:15 AM

What's the difference in high gas prices and highway robbery?...One is Gov't approved! That's a fact.

yak'em-n-stack'em 01-06-2011 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Finfeatherfur (Post 217495)
Yak - not trying to bust your bubble, but stick to what you know!!!!!! And you surely don't know what it cost to produce a gallon of gas! You also don't know what the profit margin is on a BBL of crude. You would be amazed at how many companies do NOT make a profit at $75/BBL. For that you can thank the government!



so neither does my dad who has worked at a gasoline refinery for 30 years?

yak'em-n-stack'em 01-06-2011 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Finfeatherfur (Post 217495)
Yak - not trying to bust your bubble, but stick to what you know!!!!!! And you surely don't know what it cost to produce a gallon of gas! You also don't know what the profit margin is on a BBL of crude. You would be amazed at how many companies do NOT make a profit at $75/BBL. For that you can thank the government!


also please explain why in the early 2000's you could get gas for 1 dollar a gallon

AND COMPANIES STILL MADE MONEY
if they cant make money at $75/BBL, how were they making money at $30/BBL

the fact of the matter is, the government and companies regulate crude oil prices on the market like i said

Finfeatherfur 01-06-2011 09:56 AM

DUHHHHHHHHH! EPA regulations have changed and so has the cost of production. Unless your dad is a CPA, he wouldn't understand it either. He gets an annual salary that goes up, along with health care and other benefits, all with cost increases, who pays for that - the oil companies! Their cost of doing business is skyrocketing, that's what people don't understand.

Look, ya'll know I work for a consulting company in the oil & gas industry. A well that cost $5 mil to drill in 2000 currently cost $12mil to drill now. It may pay out $20 mil in production, but over how much TIME will it take to make it. Also take into account, royalties and permitting cost. It is huge and will soon be upside down where we can no longer afford to drill here. In case you didn't know, Chavez has a lot of oil, so does Iran, so does Russia. Now, when we need to buy it from them, who do you think has more money to purchase that oil - us or China?

They will make a killing selling it to the Chinese and we can not compete with them since they have all the money. Better wake up people!!!!! We need to drill here, we need to drill now, we need to cut down some trees and drill fast!!!! - As soon as we stop worrying about a fricking wood****** or polar bear, and make an effort to support our own needs, the faster we can get to being a world superpower again. And while I'm on my soapbox, if the frickin environmentalist from the Al Gore years would have had their facts right, maybe we could have had a few more companies willing to open new refineries. You know, refineries that can be more effiecient, cleaner, and more strategically located for the needs of the country. But NOOOOOOO, they want to make it impossible to build a new one anywhere!!!!

So with that, I will end my rant on fuel cost with this. If you don't like it, park your truck, park your boat, turn your lights and computer off. Otherwise, shut up and pay up!!!!! I could care less if it was $2/gal or $10/gal - I'm going fishin'!!!!

yak'em-n-stack'em 01-06-2011 10:02 AM

i agree with everything you said.

but to say that the cost you see at the pumps is directly related to the cost of production and the cost of producing that BBL of oil is ridiculous
The point i am trying to make is that supply and demand doesnt control oil prices.
the idiots who control stocks control oil prices

There is more than enough oil to provide for the world, for a LONG, LONG, LONG, LONG time.

50-60 percent of cost comes from the price of crude
20-30 percent of cost comes from refining costs AND PROFITS
The rest is taxes and marketing

Wag 01-06-2011 10:02 AM

[QUOTE=Finfeatherfur;217515]DUHHHHHHHHH! EPA regulations have changed and so has the cost of production. Unless your dad is a CPA, he wouldn't understand it either. He gets an annual salary that goes up, along with health care and other benefits, all with cost increases, who pays for that - the oil companies! Their cost of doing business is skyrocketing, that's what people don't understand.

Look, ya'll know I work for a consulting company in the oil & gas industry. A well that cost $5 mil to drill in 2000 currently cost $12mil to drill now. It may pay out $20 mil in production, but over how much TIME will it take to make it. Also take into account, royalties and permitting cost. It is huge and will soon be upside down where we can no longer afford to drill here. In case you didn't know, Chavez has a lot of oil, so does Iran, so does Russia. Now, when we need to buy it from them, who do you think has more money to purchase that oil - us or China?

They will make a killing selling it to the Chinese and we can not compete with them since they have all the money. Better wake up people!!!!! We need to drill here, we need to drill now, we need to cut down some trees and drill fast!!!! - As soon as we stop worrying about a fricking wood****** or polar bear, and make an effort to support our own needs, the faster we can get to being a world superpower again. And while I'm on my soapbox, if the frickin environmentalist from the Al Gore years would have had their facts right, maybe we could have had a few more companies willing to open new refineries. You know, refineries that can be more effiecient, cleaner, and more strategically located for the needs of the country. But NOOOOOOO, they want to make it impossible to build a new one anywhere!!!!

So with that, I will end my rant on fuel cost with this. If you don't like it, park your truck, park your boat, turn your lights and computer off. Otherwise, shut up and pay up!!!!! I could care less if it was $2/gal or $10/gal - I'm going fishin'!!!![/QUOTE]

I hope this is not the same opinion that other people in the oil and gas industry have.

Montauk17 01-06-2011 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finfeatherfur (Post 217515)
DUHHHHHHHHH! EPA regulations have changed and so has the cost of production. Unless your dad is a CPA, he wouldn't understand it either. He gets an annual salary that goes up, along with health care and other benefits, all with cost increases, who pays for that - the oil companies! Their cost of doing business is skyrocketing, that's what people don't understand.

Look, ya'll know I work for a consulting company in the oil & gas industry. A well that cost $5 mil to drill in 2000 currently cost $12mil to drill now. It may pay out $20 mil in production, but over how much TIME will it take to make it. Also take into account, royalties and permitting cost. It is huge and will soon be upside down where we can no longer afford to drill here. In case you didn't know, Chavez has a lot of oil, so does Iran, so does Russia. Now, when we need to buy it from them, who do you think has more money to purchase that oil - us or China?

They will make a killing selling it to the Chinese and we can not compete with them since they have all the money. Better wake up people!!!!! We need to drill here, we need to drill now, we need to cut down some trees and drill fast!!!! - As soon as we stop worrying about a fricking wood****** or polar bear, and make an effort to support our own needs, the faster we can get to being a world superpower again. And while I'm on my soapbox, if the frickin environmentalist from the Al Gore years would have had their facts right, maybe we could have had a few more companies willing to open new refineries. You know, refineries that can be more effiecient, cleaner, and more strategically located for the needs of the country. But NOOOOOOO, they want to make it impossible to build a new one anywhere!!!!

So with that, I will end my rant on fuel cost with this. If you don't like it, park your truck, park your boat, turn your lights and computer off. Otherwise, shut up and pay up!!!!! I could care less if it was $2/gal or $10/gal - I'm going fishin'!!!!

Well said,only problem is not everyone is lucky enough to afford the high prices of gas. I know I wont be able to afford to fish often when it hits 4.00 again.

yak'em-n-stack'em 01-06-2011 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Finfeatherfur (Post 217515)
DUHHHHHHHHH! EPA regulations have changed and so has the cost of production. Unless your dad is a CPA, he wouldn't understand it either. He gets an annual salary that goes up, along with health care and other benefits, all with cost increases, who pays for that - the oil companies! Their cost of doing business is skyrocketing, that's what people don't understand.

Look, ya'll know I work for a consulting company in the oil & gas industry. A well that cost $5 mil to drill in 2000 currently cost $12mil to drill now. It may pay out $20 mil in production, but over how much TIME will it take to make it. Also take into account, royalties and permitting cost. It is huge and will soon be upside down where we can no longer afford to drill here. In case you didn't know, Chavez has a lot of oil, so does Iran, so does Russia. Now, when we need to buy it from them, who do you think has more money to purchase that oil - us or China?

They will make a killing selling it to the Chinese and we can not compete with them since they have all the money. Better wake up people!!!!! We need to drill here, we need to drill now, we need to cut down some trees and drill fast!!!! - As soon as we stop worrying about a fricking wood****** or polar bear, and make an effort to support our own needs, the faster we can get to being a world superpower again. And while I'm on my soapbox, if the frickin environmentalist from the Al Gore years would have had their facts right, maybe we could have had a few more companies willing to open new refineries. You know, refineries that can be more effiecient, cleaner, and more strategically located for the needs of the country. But NOOOOOOO, they want to make it impossible to build a new one anywhere!!!!

So with that, I will end my rant on fuel cost with this. If you don't like it, park your truck, park your boat, turn your lights and computer off. Otherwise, shut up and pay up!!!!! I could care less if it was $2/gal or $10/gal - I'm going fishin'!!!!


I completely agree with you on this.
Having an environmental degree means i had to put up with my share of Liberal BS, I got in arguments many times with professors who were gore commies. they still believe after it has been proven wrong and all lies that humans are causing global climate change

NEWS FLASH TO ANY IDIOT WHO BELIEVES THESE LIES.

THE GLOBAL CLIMATE HAS BEEN FLUCTUATING UP AND DOWN SINCE THE CREATION OF THE EARTH, ITS A NATURAL CYCLE THAT WE CAN NEITHER CHANGE NOR STOP

MedHeavy and I had this conversation the other day people should have looked deeper into the global warming scam.

those who owned the companies who sold carbon credits were the people who created the scam

LaAngler 01-06-2011 10:10 AM

There's a LOT more to this issue than it seems, I'm not an expert by any means. Just a few minutes googling things like "anti-speculation laws" or "gov price controls on fuel"

Clinton signed into law the "Commodity Futures Modernization Act" in 2000, since then you see the violent swings in price.
You do away with oil trading on the NYMEX, they'll trade it in the global markets.

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Originally Posted by Wag (Post 217520)
I hope this is not the same opinion that other people in the oil and gas industry have.

10 dollar gas and this country will be in so much pain we may be fishing to eat...LOL there will literally be blood in the streets.

Finfeatherfur 01-06-2011 10:10 AM

Wag - my point on that comment is this - everyone complains about the price of oil, but no one does anything about it! How can the oil companies sell gas at 1.50/gal when it cost 2.90/gal to produce it? Let us drill, let us build refineries and you will have 1.50/gal gas!

Everywhere I go, people say man, ya'll must be making a killing - completely opposite! Quit fighting the oil companies and fight the government - who is killing the industry.

Finfeatherfur 01-06-2011 10:15 AM

Yak - i gotta tip my hat to you. I know your degree and background, so I gotta say, their is no way I could have sit through lectures from a liberal professor and still passed the class! Congrats and you will do well, as long as you know in your heart that not all oil companies are raping the world. We do our best to protect Mother Nature and put back all we can to make her heal and prosper. I just signed off on an extra $400K to get a platform water blasted before being reefed, even though it was not required by the Gov, I want to make sure it is clean before placing it as a artificial reef on the floor of the Gulf.

yak'em-n-stack'em 01-06-2011 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Finfeatherfur (Post 217528)
Wag - my point on that comment is this - everyone complains about the price of oil, but no one does anything about it! How can the oil companies sell gas at 1.50/gal when it cost 2.90/gal to produce it? Let us drill, let us build refineries and you will have 1.50/gal gas!

Everywhere I go, people say man, ya'll must be making a killing - completely opposite! Quit fighting the oil companies and fight the government - who is killing the industry.


really?
2.90 to produce

my figure may have been a little low, but 2.90 to produce is ridiculous



if oil companies arent making money please explain this

"Those higher oil prices have fattened oil company profits. Excluding BP PLC, the four other major investor-owned oil companies posted combined profits of $59.7 billion in the first nine months of 2010, a 49 percent increase from the year before.


Exxon Mobil Corp., Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron Corp. and Total SA are expected to earn $81 billion for the full year.
The fifth oil giant, BP, was held responsible for the largest offshore oil spill in U.S. history and booked $39.9 billion in charges related to the disaster. Excluding special expenses like the Gulf of Mexico spill, analysts say the company will still earn $20.2 billion in 2010."


from
http://mobile.sun-sentinel.com/wap/n...title=Business

yak'em-n-stack'em 01-06-2011 10:18 AM

i agree oil companies are not the big bad companies people make them out to be

we need oil companies and they do more than they require.

it just makes the middle class person hurt to see our costs of fuel go up to where we have to make choices that affect our lives and then seeing where oil companies made 49 percent higher profit on the money we HAVE to spend

Montauk17 01-06-2011 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Finfeatherfur (Post 217528)
Wag - my point on that comment is this - everyone complains about the price of oil, but no one does anything about it! How can the oil companies sell gas at 1.50/gal when it cost 2.90/gal to produce it? Let us drill, let us build refineries and you will have 1.50/gal gas!

Everywhere I go, people say man, ya'll must be making a killing - completely opposite! Quit fighting the oil companies and fight the government - who is killing the industry.

What exactly can the little man do to stop the government from killing the industry? I would like to know....

Finfeatherfur 01-06-2011 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Montauk17 (Post 217533)
What exactly can the little man do to stop the government from killing the industry? I would like to know....

Elect officials and put them in office from the bottom up that support American drilling for American people!

southern151 01-06-2011 10:27 AM

Side note...Chavez is a pain in the arse and thought he was going to hurt the US. The facts, THE WAY I UNDERSTAND THEM, is that Venenzuela oil has such a high sulpur content that it isn't wanted for much more than heating oil. I know that in the Northeast, it is a big factor(heating oil) but, in fuel production, it is quite undesirable.

I agree 200% that we need to use our own oil and pull it from our OWN soils!

My understanding of this came from when I worked there before the reign of Chavez terror really took effect. We worked there in a Sunoco plant and you should have seen the HUGE piles of sulphur laying around and, even then, they couldn't sell it all! Now days, with even more strict regulation on sulphur levels in fuel, I agree that production costs have shot through the roof!

Wag 01-06-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Finfeatherfur (Post 217528)
Wag - my point on that comment is this - everyone complains about the price of oil, but no one does anything about it! How can the oil companies sell gas at 1.50/gal when it cost 2.90/gal to produce it? Let us drill, let us build refineries and you will have 1.50/gal gas!

Everywhere I go, people say man, ya'll must be making a killing - completely opposite! Quit fighting the oil companies and fight the government - who is killing the industry.

But what people see is the the quarterly profit statements from these companies showing billions of dollars of profit per quarter and they can see that prices do not need to be that high...but like you said who cares what the prices go to, "shut up and pay!

Finfeatherfur 01-06-2011 10:29 AM

A BBL of cude oil is 42 USGAL. How much of that 42gals become 87 octane gasoline? Look at it that way!!!!!!!

evis102 01-06-2011 10:31 AM

The higher the price of oil the more profit they make. The more profit they make the more they have to spend. The more they have to spend the more jobs they create. The more jobs they create the better off the US is. We live in a state that lives or dies by oil. If oil stays around $100 a barrel for the next year you will see all kinds of projects starting up and turnarounds kicking off.


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