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1. There was no scientific basis to change the limit from 25 to 15. 2. The Calcasieu estuary would be more likely to produce more large trout if the limit were changed back from 15 to 25. In support of part 1 (no scientific basis for limit change to 15), it has been pointed out in W's thread that: 1A. The original rule change was motivated by political rather than scientific factors. 1B. LDWF biologists openly stated that there was no biological need for the rule change. 1C. An LSU PhD Thesis states: Stock assessments periodically conducted by the Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries (LDWF), the agency that assesses, manages, and protects the state’s fisheries resources, suggest that Louisiana’s spotted seatrout population is abundant, in good health, and not overfished (LDWF 1997; Blanchet et al. 2001). Indeed, fishing regulations for the recreational sector have remained unchanged since 1988, except for the recent (2006) implementation of more stringent creel and size limits in the southwestern portion of the state (Cameron and Calcasieu parishes), which was largely due to socio-economic factors rather than compromised productivity of the stock. See: http://etd.lsu.edu/docs/available/et...lihan_diss.pdf I think there were even more facts brought out into the discussion in support for W's theory. But the most telling thing (in my opinion) is that with such a long discussion, no one really brought anything approaching a scientific argument to the table in support of the limit change to 15. In support of part 2 of W's theory (a limit change back to 25 would produce more bigger trout), it has been pointed out in W's thread that: 2A. An angler who fishes the estuary over 100 days a year is seeing far fewer large trout than before the limit change. 2B. The tournaments since the limit change in 2006 are recording far fewer of the largest trout than the tournaments before 2006. 2C. The available data suggest that while the trout in the Calcasieu estuary were fatter than the Louisiana average before 2006, the trout are thinner than the Louisiana average after 2006. This suggests an overabundance of trout relative to their food sources after the limit change. It is well known in fisheries science that reducing a population of fish relative to their food sources will probably produce faster growth and larger fish. I would say the facts are compelling, though not conclusive.:work: |
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Or that mathgeek is the smartest person on this site |
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I say continue, let it go on until it dies. I would also like to see a poll as to what people think about changing the limit back based on these recent discussions. Just to see what kinda progress ole W is makin.
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Well everything except for your flip flop over your political friend and your role in the CCA board of directors immediately after the limit change. Other than that I think we are all clear. |
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Isn't it also well known that the destruction of habitat also has a negative impact on fisheries? For example, the grass carp that effectively killed bass fishing in Caney lake? |
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I like the word
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I guess the boss has spoken:eek: |
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Damn "W" I checked it and you spelled Filibuster correctly! You on a roll 25 or bust |
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Support Salty Cajun - Where else can you find Flipper the great = W. He has been banned from all of the other sites and he is our feature poster on the SC. |
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So up to this point for 25 trout limit is winning
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Mathgeek anytime you want to come fishing in my boat your welcome and you can bring your kids,....
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MathGeek and SpeelGeek....what a combo!! :rolleyes:
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W if you want to test your theories out why don't you go fish somewhears the limit is 25 and see how many big trout you catch and see if the limit reduction hurt big trout
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I went to Lake P one time and kicked azz 5 trout almost 25lb stringer
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W, tell us about the tourneys that you've fished on your home waters. Tell us how you got beat my The Pickle.
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This thread is like the gift that keeps giving
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“Stansel said his club fishes about 10 boats per day, each with a guide and one to three anglers. They can expand to 20 boats if necessary. Their boats catch a three-person limit of 75 trout about three to five percent of the time or less.”
10 boats with an average of 3 people, 5% of the time catch 75 fishes, therefore .5 boats per per day (5% * 10=.5), on average catch an extra 30 fish or (.5 boats per day *30 fish)=15 fish were caught per day “extra” under the old limit vs. new limit for this one outfitter. Assuming this outfitter fishes 10 months of the year, that is roughly 300 days of fishing at 15 fish extra fish per day * 300 days = 4,500 fish per year. Therefore, assuming my above assumptions are correct, this outfitter is harvesting 4,500 fewer fish per year under the new system. Now, the other question is how many other guide boats are doing the same, add those figures up and then add it to the recreational fishers and to the peeps like “w” who are more consistent and you would have quite a big number, under my assumptions. Then, if we assume it is a fact that fewer larger fish are being caught under the “new system”, I would think commons since would tell you that “W” theory is correct, being the system is over populated with small trout, competing for the same food source that has stayed constant over the last 5 years, i.e there are more trout and the same amount of bait, therefore, more competition for food and the big trout are not offered the opportunity reach full growth potential. These are just my 2 since, and I have enjoyed the tread! Math Geek, you can check my numbers and let me know if I am off. |
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Lake P, Big lake and Venice are the only real places in the state with a chance to catch a 9lb plus trout. |
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