I hope you're right, because, like someone said earlier, the liberals seem to be more unified, it don't matter to them if its Hillary or Bernie, as long as someone's in office to "redistribute" the wealth, and take away your Constitutional Rights, their happy.

You would think, that after this latest attack in Brussels, Trump's immigration and border policies are starting to make more sense to a lot of voters.

Yes, you would think. But it seems like a lot of folks will vote 3rd party or not vote at all thereby giving the election to the Dems. Hope I'm wrong!!

Yep!! "my baby Bush isn't in it, Im not voting!"

I REALLY don't like Cruz, and that's my right, but if he is the nomination I will vote for him. Because HELLary will take away my rights, my money, my guns! HELLary is Obamas 3rd term on steroids

just to be clear I didn't support Bush....................

How so?

The two suicide bombers were reported to be Belgium natives. Born in Belgium. Trump style policies would have had no effect at all.

Except for when they went to Syria to train and came back. "Maybe" when they were vetted as to where they had been that might have stopped them. ANYTHING is better then the OPEN boards we have now. HONESTLY Im surprised it hasn't happened here yet has easy as it is to get into the US from the South

How do you propose we do that legally in the United States? How do we stop only Muslims from coming into the country? How do we only question Muslims about their travels? Give me what legal basis you have to effectively execute such a policy.

If that becomes the new basis, what's to stop them from saying people from Louisiana are too conservative and cannot travel to neighboring states? Once it starts, where does it stop? You cannot give the federal government that much power and expect them to use it wisely.

You do know they did this back in WWII to Germans and Japanese , How ironically we haven't won a single conflict once WE became politically correct, Everyone that has kicked our azz is NOT. Korean war, azz kicked, Vietnam, azz kicked, Gulf war era, well we are sorta still Fooking the football on this, 1000s on our boys killed, and the area is worse off, Id say azz kicked. We are not winning crap due to PC. don't want to hurt anyone feelings. this she itz in the middle east will never end, just like Vietnam.

Maybe once people are blown to parts and pieces on American soil, you brothers and sisters, people you know are dead, maybe the mindset will change, As of right now to many people think "oh that's bad, but its over there, no worries here"

How do we stop only Muslims from coming into the country? Unless you are a citizen you have no rights here, just as I don't have a RIGHT to go to Australia or Germany or the UAE, I am a guest in their country and they can refuse me entrance at any time they please. Why cant we refuse entrance to anyone we please ESPECIALLY ones we think are a risk to the safety to our country.

What's to stop a similar scenario as Belgium where someone born and raised in the United States gets terrorist training and attempts a terrorist attack in our country. Immigration policies won't stop that. What happened in Belgium is a different scenario than not allowing Muslims to travel to the United States.


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You do realize we apologized to those people, paid reparations to them and changed our policies since then, right?

Even if you were able to change the policies regarding foreign Muslims, singling out and questioning Muslim American citizens about their travels is a much stickier proposition. The likelihood of successfully pulling that off in today's America is slim to none.

What's worse, the Brussels attack should have proven to you that those policies wouldn't do a darn thing to stop terrorist attacks. People don't need to physically go to other places to become terrorists. With all of the mass shootings in America, we should know home grown terrorism is real. We should know the whole world is interconnected and information is exchanged in the blink of an eye.

Lastly, interning Japanese and German Americans in WWII didn't do a darn thing to win the war. It was just the result of racial and ethnic fear mongering. Just as what Trump is proposing will do absolutely nothing to stop terrorism. It's just religious fear mongering.

Unfortunately, racial and religious fear mongering are enough for some people. No thoughtful or practical solutions needed.

When you try to come back in the US with your passport, they see where you have been, and if its suspicious areas you get the "special line" ya all that can be FAKED to a degree, but if your pass port dosent line up with that they have on file as to your travels, theres a flag.

Now currently if come back to the US from the South and don't us customs and come back illegally (yes you can come back illegally, even though you are a citizen here) and cross the boarder with out going through customs, there is nothing to stop you (did someone say something about a wall?) I say that lounge n check but the fact is security as to get better.

How many of you leave your back door open at night or when you go to work?

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Personally I think all the terrorist training someone needs could probably be obtained without leaving the country. I also think that the people doing this kind of stuff are smart enough to train in countries that are "suspicious". Besides in regards to illegal entry into our country quite a few aren't coming from Mexico.

Long story short Trumps immigration policies probably won't stop terrorists, better security might.

What currently is being done OBVIOUSLY dosent work, (say how would you like to have $150 BILLION back?) something, anything HAS to be done.

Like I said mid sets arnt going to change until peoples wifes start coming home in body bags and all that you get back is a head, a foot in a boot, and half a hand with her wedding ring on it, just from going to wal mart to get your Chinese made crap! Again ""oh that's bad, but its over there, no worries here"

I do know this ALL TO WELL, I am a second generation German. my grand parents were barred from coming here until all the CRAP got straightened out.
Polices have changed and I refer back to my earlier comment, we have lost every conflict since the "Policies changed"

How then should we "MAKE AMERICA SAFE AGAIN" ?? how?

Then you should know times are different. This is not 1944.

Let me ask you this:

Since these policies work so well, and Louisiana is full of folks who agree with them, why hasn't "terrorism" been stopped in Louisiana? Why do we still have people shooting up movie theaters? Gunning down people in the streets on a daily basis.

If you have all the answers, why isn't Louisiana a peaceful oasis? How are you so sure policies that you haven't been able to apply here will work for the entire US and the world? All we have to do is vote for Trump. Explain that to me.

Never said I had all the answers, but something has to be done, and what "is" being presented does appeal to me, Stop the ones coming in that are causing problems. Yeah we have home grown, internet, and self proclaimed back yard Jihadists, but we have to start some place because what is in place does not work. Sitting back and saying "that wont work, that wont work. that wont work" you have now become part of the problem, either help or get out of the way

As far as "why isn't Louisiana a peaceful oasis?" I don't know where your at but to me it is a wonderful peaceful oasis, fishing doesn't get any better, and I want to keep it that way! If my son, my fishing buddy gets killed going to the market because of some radical in the name of Allah, yeah my days of peaceful fishing are over.

You don't like what some have offered, and that's your right, but I have answered your question, so answer mine, how do we "Make America SAFE again?"
Why cant we refuse entrance to anyone we please ESPECIALLY ones we think are a risk to the safety to our country. Australia, Germany and the UAE do it (well Germany has lost its mind now)

Not sure where you are seeing terrorism in LA at but the majority of people getting "gunned down in the streets on a daily basis" is daily crime, drug related mostly, sad it is, but not terrorism, theres a difference. The only movie theater shooting I know of in LA wasn't terrorism, It was some kook from AL just driving down I-10 and stopped in Lafayette.

Are you aware of the contradictions you make or are you just confused?

How can Louisiana be a "wonderful peaceful oasis", but what we're doing "is not working"? We're not stopping all Muslims at the borders. We're not questioning all American Muslim travelers. How is it possible that you seem to be doing just fine? Maybe somebody, somewhere IS doing something to keep us safe.

As far as local terrorism goes, there is no difference between shooting people in a movie theater and blowing up people in an airport. People died. Yet, the State of Louisiana didn't start stopping all transients at the border. Didn't start rounding up and questioning all transients about their comings and goings. Because, you know, what we were doing before was clearly not working. Why not?

Like it or not, we're a nation of laws. Laws that we proclaim should apply to all people equally without regard to sex, race, religion, creed or disability.

While it's acceptable to you, I do not desire to return to a time where our laws allowed us to segregate and castigate entire groups of people on characteristics alone.

What should we do? Just as local law enforcement doesn't round up all people with certain characteristics when a crime is committed, as a nation we need to focus on those committing the crimes. Rather than demonizing entire groups of people. The vast majority of which are not a threat to anyone.

Yes, we need to aggressively root out and destroy those who are determined to destroy us. Let's use all of our resources to directly oppose those who terrorize others without using our own fear to marginalize entire groups of people for no other reason than it appeases the sensibilities of bigots.

So I take it you think our government is doing a damn fine job at protecting us? Nothing has happened so everything is grand?

There is always room for improvement. Things that we can learn. Things that we can do better.

However, this is America. Our history has led to us doing things certain ways for a reason.

Simply put, what Donald Trump is proposing will not fly. Even he will have to work within a framework of laws.

I don't subscribe to idealistic fantasies. I'm about practical solutions to real problems.

What do you consider to be a real problem?

Brother, we have so many real problems.

The threat of terror that we're discussing is definitely a real problem. So is poverty, crime, our crumbling infrastructure, the quality of our education (or lack thereof), our staggering debt, the way we treat our veterans ... unreasonable limits on red snapper, speckled trout, and redfish.

Seriously though. We have a lot of problems that we need to be addressing.

In my humble opinion, that's best done by addressing the ISSUE without regard to the race, religion or creed of the person sitting across the table.

Let's just all hold hands respect everyone's sensibilities. That will teach groups like ISIS a lesson...............


Not every Muslim is a terrorist but every terrorist is a Muslim.

It's called an Executive Order, issued by the POTUS.

You don't understand Executive Orders.

Executive Orders must still be lawful. An Executive Order will not be used to discriminate against an entire group of people based on their religion. Even if it's attempted, it will be challenged and it will fail. This is not a dictatorship.

Try again.

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This is amazing that the same group of people that are so against additional gun control laws because most most gun owners are law abiding citizens are so quick to want to lump an entire group of people in the category of terrorists and put restrictions on them.

When they are threatening to kill me and my family

YEP I SURE THE HELL AM!!

I guess Obama dosent read Saltycajun.com........

Guys I'm going to bow out of this thread. I think we are on the same page as to what some of the problems are, but we don't see eye to eye on potential solutions. Whether or not the candidate I vote for wins the election I hope whoever gets it does a good job. [emoji106]


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I was going to issue that executive order anyway.

Come on now, its just sprited conversations we all have our views, no ones calling names...... or drawing pistolas.......:smokin:

Sounds like one of his supporters does

Didn't have to.

The Supreme Court found his Executive Order was lawful. But, he already knew that because he's a Constitutional scholar. That's what happens when you're knowledgeable.

Our friend, Donald Trump, on the other hand ....

Sarcasm?

Actually, I'm an Independent. I have never been a member of either party. Never voted strictly on party lines.

As my username says, I'm a renegade. I don't blindly follow anyone.

I just have an aversion to lies. And bigotry.

Which ones ?? He's made over 227 of them !! What an azz he is he dosent get his way through congress and makes the threat ""I have a pen and a phone I'll push an executive order through"" and he has.....

So you don't think Obama has walked all over the Constitution since he has been in office?

Man you must REALLY HATE Clinton then!!

Less than George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter, Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon ... should I go on? Executive Orders are not unusual and have a legitimate purpose in our system of government.

Which one? The only one his opponents thought they could challenge legally. And they failed.

Actually, I do. Despise is a better word.

Surprising, huh?

Hey we have common ground I to despise her, well Obama too. And thought I was the only one that used that word

Discrimination laws are for U.S. Citizens, stopping Muslim immigration until we figure this out as Trump says is about National Security. So if all the ISIL terrorists that are Muslim had red dots on their forehead, we'd have to let them in according to you, or we'd be discriminating against the "red dot" Muslims.

I'll ask again

Do you lock your doors at night or when you go to work? 99% people aren't thrives, but yet we all do we all lock our homes and cars up to prevent that 1% that are from breaking in

We need to lock our "Home sweat home" up

So, you've conceded stopping Muslims from traveling, particularly American Muslims, is not going to happen?

That's progress.

Now, about this silly immigration argument. People intending to bomb a country don't need to immigrate there. They can be a tourist, temporary worker, student or any other "legitimate" visitor. A citizen. If you really think all bombers are immigrants, you're incredibly naive.

The bottom line is stopping immigration until Donald Trump "figures this out" (a laughable idea) is not going to do anything to stop the threat of terror in the US.

Terrorists are not as simple as some of you are. If you stop immigration, they'll just find another way.

Immigration is not the problem. The terrorist themselves are the problem and that's what we need to focus on stopping. Terrorists. Not the immigration of all Muslims.

Your simple mind was the one trying to apply US discrimination laws to those trying to immigrate here, always holler discrimination. Sounds like you're the one that's naive

When you find out the water coming out of you faucet has poison in it you don't keep drinking it you shut off the faucet and don't drink it until the poison is removed........

Wasn't referring to immigration at that point. Not surprised you couldn't make the distinction.

Seriously, Berkey Water Filters are a wonderful thing. You should check them out. Maybe get one for your family.

Just filter the water, man. That's been my point all along.

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But FYI

Trump 2016
Hell with Muslims
Build a wall
Let's kicks ISIS *** !!

Make America Great again

So you want to install a filter while Trump want's to build a dam. How does your filter disseminate between good & bad particles?

So just keep drinking the water till you can get a filter??

No you have to identify what poison it is, how bad it is, call the correct specilist, find out the correct filter, get the filter and run it until you are posion free.
Until then STOP DRINKING THE WATER!! Until you know it's safe