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Dogface 08-20-2014 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 715358)
I take no sides. I just point out that there is 2 of them.

I agree, there are 2 sides but it looks like we are mostly hearing the politically correct side.

Clampy 08-20-2014 06:35 PM

I have seen the media criticized in this thread for trumping up stories and yet this is the information that everyone is using to formulate their opinions.
If it bleeds it leads. That's how it's always been.
Truth it is a subset of individuals that are responsible for the rioting and looting not the whole mass.

Black or white people like that are garbage.

Those are the stories you see not the others.

Remember all those babies raped in the Superdome for Katrina.

Oh yeah that's right it never happened. Screw the media.

duckman1911 08-20-2014 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eman (Post 715360)
Smoked a lot of weed back in the day and never heard any animals talk.

Lmao.... That was funny :)
Maybe you just had bad weed? Lol

Clampy 08-20-2014 06:45 PM

Lot of tokes under my belt also and never heard animals talk.
Did hear a bag of oreos talk to me once though.

duckman1911 08-20-2014 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 715363)
I have seen the media criticized in this thread for trumping up stories and yet this is the information that everyone is using to formulate their opinions.
If it bleeds it leads. That's how it's always been.
Truth it is a subset of individuals that are responsible for the rioting and looting not the whole mass.

Black or white people like that are garbage.

Those are the stories you see not the others.

Remember all those babies raped in the Superdome for Katrina.

Oh yeah that's right it never happened. Screw the media.

You form an opinion based on known information. Correct? As new information is gathered you stay with or change your original opion. Correct?
Aren't you the one that just a few posts ago said you saw two thugs in this story? On what information did you draw that conclusion? Surely it wasn't because of something you heard on the news or read on social media. That stuff is all trumped up right?

Clampy 08-20-2014 06:47 PM

Yeah. You right. Sorry for being retarded.

Clampy 08-20-2014 06:54 PM

I was merely pointing out what ever opinion we form is going to be based in lies.
Non of us live there and can't see it happen. Yeah sure you can see it in clips of the worst or best moments.
My opinion is flawed just like everyone's.

Clampy 08-20-2014 07:00 PM

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Here you go.
Saw this on social media.
Changed my mind.

Attachment 73553

duckman1911 08-20-2014 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 715368)
I was merely pointing out what ever opinion we form is going to be based in lies.
Non of us live there and can't see it happen. Yeah sure you can see it in clips of the worst or best moments.
My opinion is flawed just like everyone's.

I agree. We only get to see or read what they want us to. Based on what I know I know that I would have used my weapon if it was me. I don't know everything though.

duckman1911 08-20-2014 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 715369)
Here you go.
Saw this on social media.
Changed my mind.

Attachment 73553

I feel bad for the people that are having businesses destroyed. I also don't understand why the owners aren't protecting their business. That happens around my neck of the woods and there would be 4x4s parked bumber to bumber and everyone would be locked and loaded. You want to protest go ahead and do it. You F up someones property and you will look like you went through a meat grinder when the shooting stops.

Clampy 08-20-2014 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715372)
I feel bad for the people that are having businesses destroyed. I also don't understand why the owners aren't protecting their business. That happens around my neck of the woods and there would be 4x4s parked bumber to bumber and everyone would be locked and loaded. You want to protest go ahead and do it. You F up someones property and you will look like you went through a meat grinder when the shooting stops.

I can get on board with that.

duckman1911 08-20-2014 08:14 PM

Just a quick thought.
I think paying LE more and not allowing anyone under 30 to be a cop may help. Pay more because a person at 30 has more bills (as a general rule). At 30+ you have lived some and have also had a job hopefully. You know good people have bad days. By 30 you have already wanted to pull your boss' head off. Prolly more than once. You also know more about how to talk to people and help deescalate a situation. I know I made worse desicions in my 20s than I do in my 30s. They put out a 21 year from the academy and he has a badge and a gun. He doesn't even know what life is yet. He's just a kid that thinks he looks all pumped because of his bullet proof vest.
In my experience with LE the best ones have always been with the 30+ year old guys. They know lifes a beech and some days just arent good.

Dogface 08-20-2014 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715379)
Just a quick thought.
I think paying LE more and not allowing anyone under 30 to be a cop may help. Pay more because a person at 30 has more bills (as a general rule). At 30+ you have lived some and have also had a job hopefully. You know good people have bad days. By 30 you have already wanted to pull your boss' head off. Prolly more than once. You also know more about how to talk to people and help deescalate a situation. I know I made worse desicions in my 20s than I do in my 30s. They put out a 21 year from the academy and he has a badge and a gun. He doesn't even know what life is yet. He's just a kid that thinks he looks all pumped because of his bullet proof vest.
In my experience with LE the best ones have always been with the 30+ year old guys. They know lifes a beech and some days just arent good.

Makes good sense.

eman 08-20-2014 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715379)
Just a quick thought.
I think paying LE more and not allowing anyone under 30 to be a cop may help. Pay more because a person at 30 has more bills (as a general rule). At 30+ you have lived some and have also had a job hopefully. You know good people have bad days. By 30 you have already wanted to pull your boss' head off. Prolly more than once. You also know more about how to talk to people and help deescalate a situation. I know I made worse desicions in my 20s than I do in my 30s. They put out a 21 year from the academy and he has a badge and a gun. He doesn't even know what life is yet. He's just a kid that thinks he looks all pumped because of his bullet proof vest.
In my experience with LE the best ones have always been with the 30+ year old guys. They know lifes a beech and some days just arent good.

+1

alphaman 08-20-2014 11:02 PM

The justice system isnt fair at all imo
Justice is not blind at all.... justice can see clear as day![emoji102]

duckman1911 08-20-2014 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by alphaman (Post 715397)
The justice system isnt fair at all imo
Justice is not blind at all.... justice can see clear as day![emoji102]

Yoy are LE correct? If so I would like to hear more of your opinion and FFF. We may not agree completely but it could be a great tool for all of us to get a look at the other side and leave with a new understanding of both sides.

alphaman 08-21-2014 12:09 AM

I really dont get into all of this stuff. I think that officer, whether he was write or wrong he will get off with no problem.

Dogface 08-21-2014 04:42 AM

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Originally Posted by alphaman (Post 715404)
I really dont get into all of this stuff. I think that officer, whether he was write or wrong he will get off with no problem.

If he was wrong I hope he doesn't get off!!!

alphaman 08-21-2014 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Dogface (Post 715408)
If he was wrong I hope he doesn't get off!!!

True but they will figure out away to clear him. [emoji117] [emoji117] [emoji383] [emoji383] [emoji383] [emoji383] [emoji383] [emoji383] [emoji383]

Clampy 08-21-2014 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715379)
Just a quick thought.
I think paying LE more and not allowing anyone under 30 to be a cop may help. Pay more because a person at 30 has more bills (as a general rule). At 30+ you have lived some and have also had a job hopefully. You know good people have bad days. By 30 you have already wanted to pull your boss' head off. Prolly more than once. You also know more about how to talk to people and help deescalate a situation. I know I made worse desicions in my 20s than I do in my 30s. They put out a 21 year from the academy and he has a badge and a gun. He doesn't even know what life is yet. He's just a kid that thinks he looks all pumped because of his bullet proof vest.
In my experience with LE the best ones have always been with the 30+ year old guys. They know lifes a beech and some days just arent good.

I like it.

Clampy 08-21-2014 06:31 AM

Well this doesn't look good.

https://news.vice.com/article/a-ku-k...rce=vicenewsfb

capt coonassty 08-21-2014 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 715416)

Man that sucks. I'm sure this guys gotta move out of town and needs money. But if he would take a single dollar from the KKK all of the people looting and raising hell would just take that as them doing this for a noble cause because then for sure they would see this as a race thing.

Top Dawg 08-21-2014 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 715422)
Man that sucks. I'm sure this guys gotta move out of town and needs money. But if he would take a single dollar from the KKK all of the people looting and raising hell would just take that as them doing this for a noble cause because then for sure they would see this as a race thing.

It's been about race. And the attourney general clearified that.

RickLafayette 08-21-2014 08:53 AM

True story
 
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True story

bmac 08-21-2014 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715379)
Just a quick thought.
I think paying LE more and not allowing anyone under 30 to be a cop may help. Pay more because a person at 30 has more bills (as a general rule). At 30+ you have lived some and have also had a job hopefully. You know good people have bad days. By 30 you have already wanted to pull your boss' head off. Prolly more than once. You also know more about how to talk to people and help deescalate a situation. I know I made worse desicions in my 20s than I do in my 30s. They put out a 21 year from the academy and he has a badge and a gun. He doesn't even know what life is yet. He's just a kid that thinks he looks all pumped because of his bullet proof vest.
In my experience with LE the best ones have always been with the 30+ year old guys. They know lifes a beech and some days just arent good.

This would be ideal but the fact is that our tax dollars pay police salaries. In many small towns the cops barely make more than minimum wage. Low wages mean your talent pool will be pretty shallow.

I know there are some areas where the police are paid well, but I would bet the taxes are also higher there.

It would be interesting to see a study comparing police salary with police complaints.

Clampy 08-21-2014 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by bmac (Post 715431)
This would be ideal but the fact is that our tax dollars pay police salaries. In many small towns the cops barely make more than minimum wage. Low wages mean your talent pool will be pretty shallow.

I know there are some areas where the police are paid well, but I would bet the taxes are also higher there.

It would be interesting to see a study comparing police salary with police complaints.

I would love to see that study also.
Why why why. Do we pay cops and teachers so little ?

Top Dawg 08-21-2014 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 715433)
I would love to see that study also.
Why why why. Do we pay cops and teachers so little ?

Cuz out elected officials gotta get paid yo

Clampy 08-21-2014 10:00 AM

http://www.politico.com/magazine/sto...l#.U_YIklAo7qA

Good read. Funny never heard about this one.

duckman1911 08-21-2014 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 715433)
I would love to see that study also.
Why why why. Do we pay cops and teachers so little ?

X2

"W" 08-21-2014 10:33 AM

Mid week and hundreds are still protesting


Shows you now many of them work and what type of people they are

Who has time to protest ?

Uneducated free loaders
Wealfare / food stamp Government dependent
No job

They all act like they new the guy and were best buddies !!

jldsc 08-21-2014 01:46 PM

Most of the protester's arrested were from over 100miles away!! They there just to start sht


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capt coonassty 08-21-2014 01:51 PM

The college semester will be starting soon, I'm sure that will knock a bunch out. Same thing with the occupy movement.

Dogface 08-21-2014 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 715465)
The college semester will be starting soon, I'm sure that will knock a bunch out. Same thing with the occupy movement.

LOL I'm sure most of them are college students.

Clampy 08-21-2014 02:22 PM

Dan Carlin ' s Common Sense

http://www.stitcher.com/s?eid=35164891&refid=asa

Top Dawg 08-21-2014 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by capt coonassty (Post 715465)
The college semester will be starting soon, I'm sure that will knock a bunch out. Same thing with the occupy movement.

Lmao

duckman1911 08-21-2014 02:47 PM

There are so many variables in this situation. Nobody will ever agree completely. Hell sometimes I don't agree with myself.lol. I believe that many steps need to be taken to end the strong armed policing of American citizens but also believe an officer should defend himself against a threat. If they were held accountable by the same laws as civilians I think a lot would change. Unfortunatly cops aren't bound by the same laws as civilians.
I also believe that people should have enough self pride to not act like animals. I don't care what color you are. Some of the best people I know are black and some of the worst I know are white. I also know cases that are just the reverse. Self pride in life is going away.
Im not saying a person should be overly pridefull and an arrogant azz. One should have balance.

Clampy 08-21-2014 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715480)
There are so many variables in this situation. Nobody will ever agree completely. Hell sometimes I don't agree with myself.lol. I believe that many steps need to be taken to end the strong armed policing of American citizens but also believe an officer should defend himself against a threat. If they were held accountable by the same laws as civilians I think a lot would change. Unfortunatly cops aren't bound by the same laws as civilians.
I also believe that people should have enough self pride to not act like animals. I don't care what color you are. Some of the best people I know are black and some of the worst I know are white. I also know cases that are just the reverse. Self pride in life is going away.
Im not saying a person should be overly pridefull and an arrogant azz. One should have balance.

Well here is one measure to put a stop to that but of course voted down.

Bill Banning Nukes To Police Fails For Sickening …: http://youtu.be/m-LzoFisU8o

Lake Chuck Duck 08-21-2014 03:03 PM

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duckman1911 08-21-2014 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 715486)
Well here is one measure to put a stop to that but of course voted down.

Bill Banning Nukes To Police Fails For Sickening …: http://youtu.be/m-LzoFisU8o

You know when you see or hear something that just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy insede? Yeaaaaaaaaah thats not one of those things.
Lets crank out some hot headed 21 year olds from the academy and give em rocket launchers. Sounds like a great plan ;)

Matt G 08-21-2014 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715492)
You know when you see or hear something that just makes you feel all warm and fuzzy insede? Yeaaaaaaaaah thats not one of those things.
Lets crank out some hot headed 21 year olds from the academy and give em rocket launchers. Sounds like a great plan ;)

Because cops NEEDS rocket launchers just like some steel-toe boot wearing guy from N Louisiana NEEDS an AR-15 right? You want the absolute right to keep and bear arms, yet you want to deny law enforcement the same right...... Pretty hypocritical in my book.

Goooh 08-21-2014 03:40 PM

The video of another shooting is in this article. Graphic

http://rt.com/usa/181772-deadly-st-l...hooting-video/

duckman1911 08-21-2014 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 715494)
Because cops NEEDS rocket launchers just like some steel-toe boot wearing guy from N Louisiana NEEDS an AR-15 right? You want the absolute right to keep and bear arms, yet you want to deny law enforcement the same right...... Pretty hypocritical in my book.

Would you please enlighten me as to how me wanting cops to have the same rules as civilians is hypocritical? I have an AR and so do they. When they get issued rocket launchers do I also get one? Can I just go to Academy at that point and buy me one? Nope. Your argument is weak at best.
They have hanguns, shot guns, and rifles and so do I. When they have rocket launchers go to your local sporting goods store and buy one.

duckman1911 08-21-2014 03:55 PM

Im from central Louisiana not north Louisiana.
At least get that right ;)

Matt G 08-21-2014 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715496)
Would you please enlighten me as to how me wanting cops to have the same rules as civilians is hypocritical? I have an AR and so do they. When they get issued rocket launchers do I also get one? Can I just go to Academy at that point and buy me one? Nope. Your argument is weak at best.
They have hanguns, shot guns, and rifles and so do I. When they have rocket launchers go to your local sporting goods store and buy one.

Wanting cops to have the same rules as civilians is not hypocritical at all. I'm saying using the same argument used against yourself as a gun owner, "They don't need this weapon. They aren't responsible enough," is pretty hypocritical. How do you know this 21 year old you speak of isn't a member of the military, highly responsible, and highly trained? But because some 21 year olds are hot heads, we need to ban them all from becoming a cop? We might as well take their guns and vehicles from them. Hell, don't even let them drink. That makes no sense to me.

I may be mistaken, but you could actually own a rocket launcher. Granted, it'll be a ton of paperwork.


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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715497)
Im from central Louisiana not north Louisiana.
At least get that right ;)

Anything north of I-10 is North Louisiana. :rotfl:

duckman1911 08-21-2014 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt G (Post 715503)
Wanting cops to have the same rules as civilians is not hypocritical at all. I'm saying using the same argument used against yourself as a gun owner, "They don't need this weapon. They aren't responsible enough," is pretty hypocritical. How do you know this 21 year old you speak of isn't a member of the military, highly responsible, and highly trained? But because some 21 year olds are hot heads, we need to ban them all from becoming a cop? We might as well take their guns and vehicles from them. Hell, don't even let them drink. That makes no sense to me.

I may be mistaken, but you could actually own a rocket launcher. Granted, it'll be a ton of paperwork.




Anything north of I-10 is North Louisiana. :rotfl:

Valid point. On the gun issue. I do however belive that no one should be a cop at less than age 30 and have displayed themselves as well rounded and level headed citizens from the age of 18 to 29. Im not saying its perfect and will fix everything. Thats just my take on it.


Everthing above Nat****oches is North Louisiana.:rotfl:

duckman1911 08-21-2014 05:41 PM

You can own a rocket launcher if you don't mind the anal probing and giving the BATF a set of your house house keys. I think if cops have it I should be able to go to Academy and buy it like any other gun. Fill out the form and walk out the door with it. They should have nothing you or I don't have equal access to.

AceArcher 08-21-2014 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Clampy (Post 715475)

as usual he is dead on target.

Clampy 08-21-2014 05:43 PM

Yeah. Dan is the man.

mriguy 08-21-2014 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by duckman1911 (Post 715511)
Valid point. On the gun issue. I do however belive that no one should be a cop at less than age 30 and have displayed themselves as well rounded and level headed citizens from the age of 18 to 29. Im not saying its perfect and will fix everything. Thats just my take on it.


Everthing above Nat****oches is North Louisiana.:rotfl:

Sorry John, but everything above Barber Spur is North Louisiana

duckman1911 08-21-2014 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by mriguy (Post 715516)
Sorry John, but everything above Barber Spur is North Louisiana

Damn it...... Now I gota move...lm a o..


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