But more new fish CAN swim up river into your "pond" if there is bait?

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

As stated, your biggest factor is the over populated lake, not enough bait to produce the previous trophy trout, which I'm sure could be traced back to the weirs. Sure your running and gunning has some effect I'm sure, but not enough to hurt it that much. It's all a chain reaction almost.

I sent some emails from question some guys wanted answered...hope they will be an answered on monday

Well, yeah...if you dig a pond 17 miles long and 4 miles wide.

Just like Big Lake.

So we know 1 fact still

There was Zero facts to change it from 25-15

"yes" but no way in hell u can tell me the same amount. Used to on the east side of the lake your main launches were devils elbow Herbert's or prien
Never do I recall while growing we having a hard time getting parking at Herbert's or devils elbow. Now u have calc point filled to the brim along with xtra parking lot filled at heberts and prien is and will always be a mixed boaters launch. Even Spicers and the launches on the west side have grown in traffic along with the growth of home/camp boat slips.

It's like the other day when I was catching good 3-5lb trout every other cast and this jimmy comes up behind me when I'm fighting a fish to bring to the scales and on her second dive to the back of the boat she breaks me off on my motor. So as I begin to retie he's watching this and trolls wide open up to the exact spot I was in 20-25 yds away from me (wind had blown me off) and power poles down! I was like WTH? Not a single fish hit My bait nor his
Pressure does effect the bite
Specially when your running right over the damn hole

And over populate

We caught 60 trout last Sunday with 25 Jimmy in and out all day...and all on topwater...so pressure did not affect us

Thought this was a big trout issue and not numbers

Regardless pressure does not cause near the damage that overpopulation does.

It is but I'm ruling out pressure

So why do you cry about potlickers and pilgrims and do figure 8s.


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Bottom line is....we don't have the over all size adv like we had in 2002-2007

Because none cut me off and I enjoyed watching people watch us catch fish...while they threw there tackle box......

So why can't you act like this which is way more mature and sportsman like when they do kill your bite or cut "your drift" off.


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The facts are that the fishery is and never was in need of a 10 fish reduction in creel. I was at the meeting and the only ones wanting the reduction was idiots and persons in the loop with the people that could shove this down our throats. The peolpe that study and work the lake, the biologists were ignored. And your refrence to duck limits are based on population of breeding birds. They got what they wanted but facts are facts, it has NOT HELPED THE LAKE PRODUCE TROPHY TROUT!!!!. SO tell me why do we need the 15 fish limit? So you can feel good 'bout saving a fishery that doesn't need to saved....y'all can say what you want. It was never about what the lake needed, on the contary it was what the people with the money wanted to happen.

Bingo. Bingo.

Thank you for stepping up....this is what we need more of...people like u

10-4 TID!

I never thought I would see more pathetic then the horn porn "trophy" deer hunters. I would rather take my son out and catch 50 12" trout and see 5 does each time out than catch a 7lb trout and a 10 point buck once in a while. We have lost sight of the most important aspect of the outdoors these days: having fun and teaching the next generation proper values.
Thank God I live on the east side and don't have to deal with
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With all the boats running around that small body of water every day.....you cannot tell me that it does not matter to big trout. Big Lake is overpopulated alright....with boats.

I believe u ment to state a 9lb trout once in a while
7's are plentiful
The new 7 is the old 9

Soon upper 6 will be the new 9

X2. Same with Rayburn and Toledo. We need more lakes Lol

That boat running over the hole ain't going to affect the feeding pattern. It may displace the fish, but they still have to compete for bait with all the other trout.
I'm no biologist, but
I just can't see boating affecting it as much as overpopulation.

Elite series this week on Toledo... Watch what kind of weights they bring in. Toledo however is actually doing some what decent for big fish. More and more people releasing. Leave our bass out of this! Next they going to ruin our trophy bass lol

Do you know me? I was not even fishing big lake when it was a 25 fish limit and I don't care either way. I sure as hell wasn't someone that went to BR to do anything about it.

All I want is for the lake to remain healthy so my grandchildren can fish big lake and I personally do not know if the limit makes a difference.

My point in posting on this thread is because this is my site and I am not going to let anyone name people in threads like has been done in the past, that's it, end of story. Also I believe you guys are fighting a losing battle on this topic but hey you guys do what you feel is right. My references were to things that may not be fair but “we” cannot change.

Send me a PM please if you want to continue this, I have no reason to be in this thread otherwise. Also I no longer argue with members.

I think a lot could have to do with fish being concentrated along with bait concentrated allowing fish to fatten up. With the water levels back to normal and the exposed land having fresh vegetation and ground critters all the more reason for Toledo to have a boom. Along with a huge decrease in fishing pressure if any at all at some points. I feel that bass fishing has become an electronics sport more or less. Give them fellas a map and an old school hummingbird buzzer on new lakes and see what the weight limits are then.
Back to original topic

I think your on too something

If you want a trophy Lake make the limit 50per person.
.in 5years the lake record would be shattered

Define the word trophy? Or even better, a successful trip? I've had my most successful trips in the woods and the water when I didn't kill or catch my limit. Life is way to short to give a crap about 10 fish or a 2 lb difference of a fish. Don't you have a new born? I know my son is the most important thing in my world. Not the size or limit of fish. Grow up.

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Dude its not about just size....its about over population which in time will cause problems for our fisheries
...I don't fish for big trout but maybe 2 months a year and could care a less about them..I don't eat them...I don't keep them
But they are part of our estuary and now we have a problem with the lack of size decrease ....this is from too many trout

Just like your does...you have to take out s given number of trout....we are not taking that number out


I'm for 25 trout....I don't care If I catch all 12inchers....but I do know that with a 25 trout limit you will have bigger fish showing up




You know that saying your dad told you...if its not broke don't fix it

Then you need to let at least ten boats follow your drifts so the pilgrims can catch their limits and level out the population in the lake. They catch the dinks, cause 99% can't catch 15 fish, and you get to make a possative impact in more ways than one. You can be the big lake hero. Get you a cape and everything.
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A "successful" trip to W is catching a limit before 8:00 am and having somebody "cut his drift" in the process so he can come back here and tell us all about how he ran figure 8's around 2/3 of the lake.

It'll damn sure affect the catchin' pattern.

I find it interesting that no one has mentioned the fact that the lake is no longer fished commercially. I'm sure most people that have been around awhile know what kind of numbers used to be taken out of that lake.

Interestingly, Louisiana recently adopted (in 2006) a spatially-explicit management plan for Calcasieu Lake. The premise of this management decision, which included a reduction in daily bag limits and imposition of a slot limit, was to ‘preserve’ the renowned trophy-fishery for spotted seatrout in Calcasieu Lake. However, the decision to enact this regulation was based exclusively on socio-economic factors, rather than the biological status of the subpopulation. In fact, no formal stock assessment was conducted as part of the decision-making process. Thus, the status of the subpopulation (stock) was largely unknown (i.e., overfished or not?) at the time regulations were changed. While perhaps setting a bad precedent for fisheries management (i.e., making a decision based purely on socioeconomic reasons), this situation affords a unique opportunity to evaluate the response of spotted seatrout to a spatially-explicit (estuarine-scale) regulations change (i.e., adaptive management, sensu Hilborn and Walters 1992).

from Callihan PhD thesis LSU 2011 p. 182

Looks like someone already headed to banned camp, not who I thought it was going to be though. Anyway I feel like W could be fighting a loosing battle but he seems willing to fight for what he believes in. to me it seems like some valid points are being made. I can't catch a limit every trip, I am one of those guys. But still I enjoy being on the water as much as all you guys.

And there you have it.

No sure why he was ban....I hope it was not just because of his response...because it was true..

The guy made a great point and I hope he was not ban for that

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Originally Posted by MathGeek (Post 441851) Interestingly, Louisiana recently adopted (in 2006) a spatially-explicit management plan for Calcasieu Lake. The premise of this management decision, which included a reduction in daily bag limits and imposition of a slot limit, was to ‘preserve’ the renowned trophy-fishery for spotted seatrout in Calcasieu Lake. However, the decision to enact this regulation was based exclusively on socio-economic factors, rather than the biological status of the subpopulation. In fact, no formal stock assessment was conducted as part of the decision-making process. Thus, the status of the subpopulation (stock) was largely unknown (i.e., overfished or not?) at the time regulations were changed. While perhaps setting a bad precedent for fisheries management (i.e., making a decision based purely on socioeconomic reasons), this situation affords a unique opportunity to evaluate the response of spotted seatrout to a spatially-explicit (estuarine-scale) regulations change (i.e., adaptive management, sensu Hilborn and Walters 1992). from Callihan PhD thesis LSU 2011 p. 182

Socioeconomics= a very small group of people who are office fisherman, who spend less than 30 days a year on our waters but think they have the right to change the whole ecosystem

Good find, thanks.

This thread was going in the right direction, without personal attacks which is all that I asked, thank you.

As far as the banned issue, if you really want to know send me a PM (I may answer you and I may not, really it is not your concern) and stop questioning me in the open area or you can ALL join him. Go back through the thread and you will see there was a deleted post. That deleted post and what he said to me and about me is what got him banned. Then he followed up with multiple emails telling me his "feelings" about me. So yes he is gone. Salty so the post before I deleted it, if you want to PM him and he feels like responding then you can.

What I have learned is that most of you do not respect or appreciate me. I never wanted to spend as much time dealing with this site as I now have to spend. Yesterday when this mess started it caused me to be two hours late getting my family home. In short, I have had enough. I put my own money into keeping this site running and more time in this "project" than any of you can imagine. I did not deserve the first post that this person came after me about but then the second was way across the line. At the end of the day, SaltyCajun is a hobby and a hobby I am very tired of right now. I will ban anyone that does not respect me on my own bandwidth that I pay for. Think of it as being at work, you may like the boss but if you tell him to go XXXX himself then you’re gone.

Change this back towards the topic or I will lock the thread. I have to get real work done today which does not include babysitting all of you.

Which again for the record, I was not even fishing the big lake area when the limit changed, I was still fishing in Grand Isle at the time. I will support whatever the science shows once that work is done. 15 v/s 25 is not something that bothers me right now so don't think for one second I have a real opinion on it. I want there to be a great fishery for my grandchildren one day and support whatever that requires.

Signed, your office fishermen

I told my boss to go XXXX himself before it felt great, I'm still with the company.
As for respect towards you, we all have it Casey I understand why you get upset and rambunctious at times but don't think for one minute none of us do not respect you and what you have done with this site for one minute.

Thank you Kade. Good for you on the boss situation, lol...

I can see it now...fish off coming soon.....
ClubW vs Office Fisherman....lol

Jmo.....i think if you want this changed back to 25 you are going to have all ducks in a row that will prove why it needs to be changed....arguements wont do it and making valid points here wont do it...going way up the ladder with CONNECTIONS is where its gonna have to start....word of mouth is not gonna get it...proof to your connections will make it when your connection can grab the attention of upper personel that matter will make it happen if you keep persuing the change....jmo....good day mates.........