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anyway im staying out of this but i will agree with the last statement of this post, what your grandpaw said. |
Think what you want challenge what you want. but in the end...you'll find out.
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Revelation 5:8 "Prayers of the holy ones " John refers to the saints as "holy ones"
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I urge, then, first of all, that petitions, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for all people— 2 for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. 3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. Revelation 5:88 And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people. |
Well I guess we can add religion to the list of "Things W knows best"
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its easy to regurgitate bible scripts...true test is living by them.
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Sorry this is the quote I had from the King James
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints. In Paul's letter to Timothy in addition to prayers he says we should ask for intercession. Which is what we do with the saints and Mary. Whatever has gotten you to hate the Catholic religion, as a Catholic, I apologize . We are not taught to go out and offend. Unfortunately, a lot of times we do. |
Amen Sulphite Amen agree with u 100%
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Again sorry to bust your bubble but that does not in no shape ,way or form say : Pray to saints or any other gods |
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I wonder if Haynie would build "W" a boat with a pulpit instead of a console.
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Oh ok
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[QUOTE="W";559701]you are 100% right.....I have been in a 3 day battle with some people on facebook
Im far far from a saint So "W" you apparently do believe in saints and recognize they have a very spiritual relationship with God !!! |
Seems we have some people here that have had these arguments before?? You can always tell a hater, they have what they believe to be the truth in hand that proves the catholic religion wrong. It's always us(catholics) defending our religion... I never see a gang of catholics chewing up some baptist or Methodist just because they chose a different religion. Most of us were raised in our religions, we were born in it.. Like W's his religion in family is strong in their past... You will not hear me or probably any catholic barking at him telling him he is wrong. So why do you guys feel so compelled to discuss and bash the catholic religion??
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Well said T-Top. What all Christians must find strength in is that Jesus Christ was perfect and even he was persecuted and crucufied. Just as Jesus Christ did we must also find strength from persecution of our faith or religious beliefs. Regardless of what is said about Catholics by other Christian faiths, there were an estimated 30,000 non Catholic Christians in Rome to witness the selection of the successor of the first Pope, the Apostle Peter. Regardles of religious belief, one cannot deny the Pope is the most respected religious position in the entire world !!!! |
God is a fair and just God....God is love...
Hmm... If god loves everyone unconditionally and is FAIR AND JUST, yet knows each soul from beginning to end, how is it fair that he creates a soul that will go to hell? Where's the fairness in that? Really. God is all knowing from beginning to end. He knows where a person will end up before they are created. How is that fair and just, and how would God love that person if he knows they are going to hell before they are born??? Also, just look back to the dark ages where the only people who knew how to read and write was the catholic church....accepting money for forgiveness?? Sounds like grade a bull s h I t. And you shouldn't have to confess your "sins" to anyone but God to be forgiven. |
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If you think free will is true, then you have to refute that God knows reach soul from beginning to end.
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[QUOTE=mcjaredsandwich;559874]God is a fair and just God....God is love...
Hmm... If god loves everyone unconditionally and is FAIR AND JUST, yet knows each soul from beginning to end, how is it fair that he creates a soul that will go to hell? Where's the fairness in that? Really. God is all knowing from beginning to end. He knows where a person will end up before they are created. How is that fair and just, and how would God love that person if he knows they are going to hell before they are born??? God doesnt create a soul which will go to hell. He actually creates one which is born only with the venial sins. God does however create souls with free will. If one uses that free will to choose the ways of satan and not repent before death, scripture tells us we will certainly suffer in hell for eternity. |
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