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Im just trying to make the argument equal by including us in the argument and not 1 group of people. Doesn't that make us equal or it doesnt?

We are human right. We both can hear the anthem and see the flag right? At home or in the stadium am i not correct. If im wrong please explain you answer.

Im asking questions, no arguments here.

and no one but me answered the main question? Do you stand up or you dont stand up.

If we are suppose to be all equal. Then why are we not treated equal. Lol


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In all honesty I do not stand . That's because in all my years I have never caught the beginning of a game . I have never watched another team except the saints . I have bought saints items and have numerous saints tee shirts that I will trash . I do belong to an organization and we have 2 meetings a month and pledge to the flag and sing the national anthem and there will be only one place to pass if you take a knee . I have nothing against people protesting for what they believe but to me if you take a knee to protest during the national anthem you are protesting your country . These people believe all the crap the news media is spreading cause they hate our Pres. They are the ones dividing our country .

argument: (noun) a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or establish a point of view


See the above definition for argument..... You are obviously on the side of those kneeling and therefore are "arguing" your position is an attempt to support your point of view. Your question, however, is completely off base and irrelevant to the original topic. Attempting to compare/shame the opposition for not standing at their house while the national anthem is playing over the television is no where near the same as someone who is representing their employer, their city, their state, and one could argue their country since apparently there is nothing more American than football (I wholeheartedly disagree with that assertion). That's probably why you are the only one answering your ridiculous question, but if it makes you happy, no. I do not watch football to begin with and if the national anthem were to play over my television, I probably wouldn't perform the same rituals that are expected from any decent American who is present for the anthem. However, if I were there in person, I absolutely would stand and pay respect to my country's flag and anthem.


I honestly have no clue as to the relevance of the "equal" comment, so I won't comment on that.

What's y'all's thoughts
 

I love all yall.
Im on your side matt. Im sitting down when watching the game.

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That's the response of someone who's been put in their place!!
Great job Matt G!

According to who. Lol [emoji23] option


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I can careless what matt are any of you say lol. Im just trolling. And posting like all of you. And if you know me, you would understand lol



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the bad part is there all jumping on crappernicks band wagon its what he clarified why he is protesting look it up the pig socks and everything some of the players and owners need to go look at what he said and wore before agreeing with him

100% this. I couldnt have said it better myself

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/la...htmlstory.html


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Supposedly these guys make millions . Why can't they take a little and go in the neighborhoods where there is so much shooting and killing black on black , face it thats what it is and start up some kind of boys club where they have a safe place ? That would be so much more effective than disrespecting the national anthem . Taking a knee or sitting ain't going to do no good but in church . Let them put their money where their knee is . They care so much prove it . Help those coming up who are not so fortunate to help themselves....GET OFF YOUR KNEE (***) AND DO SOMETHING REAL.....

Exactly what I thought would happen...completely over your head.

I think this is an interesting question. I sit and never really thought about it. But I was always taught and grew up knowing that in the presence of the flag and national anthem you ALWAYS stand and hand over your heart.


We can always start a new thing from this day forward. Right? Stand at da bar and stand on da patio and stand in da livin room!

My son is an Airman 1st class in the greatest Air Force in the world and stands ready to protect our freedom.

I respect the right of people to protest and express their views. Freedom of speech protects people from government retribution, but I don't have to agree with them or support them or their endeavors.

Alphaman, in the presence of raising the flag, the anthem and the lowering of colors I stand with my hand over my heart. At home I guess I never really thought about standing but I put my hand over my heart and we don't talk or do other things while the anthem is performed on TV.

I would rather see folks who believe strongly about something work to fix the problem, especially if they have the platform and the means. Since we're talking about the NFL, JJ Watts actions in Houston are exemplary.

Finally, with no disrespect aimed at anyone but as a challenge to everyone I cite this article from the NY Daily News in March 2016. Did this black life matter (all involved are African-Americans)?

"Three suspected gang members who executed a 9-year-old boy in Chicago initially wanted to kidnap the child and cut off his fingers and ears, authorities said Tuesday.

A 22-year-old man who cops say pulled the the trigger was charged with first-degree murder late Monday in the death of little Tyshawn Lee.

Tyshawn was targeted because of his father's gang affiliation and a recent series of shootings between two rival gangs, the Gangster Disciples and the Black P Stones."

You think college football doesn't have problems, and a big debate on how to pay college athletes isn't coming? Open your eyes.

You knew the answer to that question before your even asked it.


I admit most probably don't stand at attention at home, and from the admission of the major media outlets, most would not get a chance, because they were going to commercials when the Anthem was being played, before all this started!


Now the major media outlets think it's a great idea to show it?????
Can you say agenda???????


I do not feel unequal to anyone, but I can guarantee you that if I wanted to express myself on any topic it would NEVER make it to live TV on a national level!!!!!!!


I wonder why the media and the supporters of this fine upstanding role model who they claim started this, are not concerned or fighting for the young lady whose rights were violated by this same individual and a couple of his buddies a few years ago???????????? Hypocrites!

As a veteran, when the anthem is played i stop what i am doing take my cap off and stand w/ my hand over my heart . ( yes at home too). Same when taps is played. stand at attention. when i am at a parade and the colors pass i salute.
Do expect everyone to do the same? No. But i don't approve of anyone calling attention to themselves during the anthem either.

Ditto. As a fellow veteran, I pause when the anthem is played on tv, but I don't stand and put my hand over my heart, but if i'm wearing a hat, I do take it off. I reserve the standing and placing my hand over my heart for when I am actually in the presence of the flag, rather than looking at digital pixels. And yes, when taps are played at vet's funerals, I place my hand over my heart. I've always been taught that to salute, one has to be on active duty, but perhaps I am wrong. Since Alphaman is the one that stirred this up, I ask him, "are you a vet?" If not, how can you judge those that are? Just wondering.

You people have surprisingly been steered away from the original point. This isn't about you, it's about the NFL players disrespecting the anthem and the flag. Alphaman cleverly got you guys trying to defend your own actions. Nice move alphaman.

Or typical liberal divert

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The rules were changed a few years back . Now any veteran or service member in uniform or out can can stand at attention and salute the flag and the national anthem and the playing of taps .

Thx eman, I did not know that.

How would you destroy the most powerful nation on Earth or weaken it to the point where it could easily be conquered without firing a shot? How's this for a plan:

Control the message(liberal media)- check

Remove morality/Christianity from public square to the point where right and wrong does not exist anymore- check

Destroy the nuclear family-check

Send all the good jobs overseas to demoralize the people and make them dependent on government handouts for survival-check



Eliminate the borders to allow vastly different
cultures including mid-evil Muslim barbarians to flood in, do not require them to assimilate- check

Create massive violence and unrest in the streets with paid anarchists- check

Tear down hallowed symbols of the founders and make the citizens understand just how evil they were- check

Teach the confused, demoralized godless citizens that everything they've always thought was right is wrong and anything traditional is evil and racist. In fact people should be ashamed and feel guilty for having the audacity to even be born white. Every thing you say and do is inherently racist so shut up- check

Create a global crisis that can only be solved by a global government(climate change)- check

Crush any sense of national pride and patriotism that remains by dishonering and disrespecting the country's flag, anthem, traditions, language, religion or anything else that may still be holding them together-check

Disarm the citizens after you have convinced them that guns are evil and only the government can properly protect and provide for them- almost check

Occupy the country using UN "peacekeepers" for violating some obscure international law or treaty- almost there, 10-20 years away

And for those that think this is tin foil hat stuff, ask yourself this question: All of the things mentioned above are happening (except for the last two). Is it more plausible that they are happening randomly and by coincidence? or are these things being orchestrated to achieve a goal?

To protest our national anthem for ANY reason is out right treason in my opinion. Most of these over paid athletes I?m sure had family that bled on the battle fields so they can have the right to openly voice opinions and protest. But to disrespect our anthem is to disrespect so many that gave their lives for this country. They should be sent to North Korea.

They've torn down Washington, Jefferson, Madison, etc?

You people have lost your minds.

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Pat b
Said it right!!
As well as a few people have!!
Back from the one's that trolled and got it off topic!!

Anyone going to watch the NFL games this weekend?? Or make the owners finally get some, ball's?? Me I will not be watching any NFL team this year!!

My team played Thursday night, and bow season opens Sunday. Only reason I won't be watching is because I'll be hunting.

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I won't be watching!!

Didn't really care for the NFL before and I'm damn sure not watching them now. College sports are way better anyway.

The most direct path, and the biggest effect to the NFL and it's spineless owners, is to stay away from the NFL stadiums. Want to see a RAPID and MAJOR CHANGE in their attitude? Watch what half full stadiums will do. ;)

First I always stand for the anthem in my livin room in a sports bar etc always. But after that its the game I care less what happens before or after the game its the game I am there to see. All you baws saying ya aint watching the game anymore cause of something that happens before it remind me of all the foolish people who claimed to leave the country if trump got elected. Did they?? I watch the game cause I like it Dont care much about what happ[ens before or after,

I usually don't care what people do either but when they live in this country and make millions to play a sport that they love then turn around and disrespect this country, it's flag and the men and woman who have died for them to have the freedom to make their millions, you damn right I care. And as far as comparing this to idiot celebrities threatening to leave the country if trump got elected is very foolish of you sir.

Many Americans fought for the freedom for me to say what I think, you to say what you think, and those idiots to say what they think it dont effect the game and I am watching till it does.

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Ever heard of "Take em down NOLA"? They got Robert E Lee taken down as well as four others... Now they are going after President Andrew Jackson in Jackson square. Do you think Mitch Landrieu will give in? I do.

Also founder statues are being vandalized all across the country and pundits on CNN and MSNBC are calling for removal of Washington and Jefferson. Open your eyes man. They will harp and harp on this and it may take a couple years but they will get thier way.

Military vet here, i honestly give a **** less about what these crooked cowardly politicians (both sides of the isle) or these pampered, spoiled, uneducated athletes think or do.. we are talking about millionaires in DC and millionaires in the stadiums.. i am at the point in my life where i know that i will never be a millionaire and to be frank.. dont really care to be.. i am comfortable. At the end of the day, people should realize that regardless of where these politicians and athletes stand, they have much more in common with eachother than they do with those of us who put them in the positions that they are in, the common american men and women who cast votes and tune in to these games are their lifeblood. Without us, they are nothing. I respect everyones opinion and stance as we are all entitled to express our thoughts and feelings so here is mine..in my past i have been to combat zones in foreign countries longing the opportunity to be at home or sitting in the dome or at tiger stadium cheering my teams on and will continue to do so...it is entertainment...a few butthurt politicians and players will not waiver how i feel. I served for everyone to have the opportunity to express themselves how they see fit no matter how outlandish, or childish some may view it. In the end, that is what makes our country so great and what seperates us from every other country in the world.

If you want to see a very well written explanation of what is going on in the world today, read Dinesh D'Souza's new book "The Big Lie". He nails it.

I just wish all them people that said if Trump won they were moving? What happened to that?
I will try and the link, cnn reported today that the Democrats/liberals. Are you going to hold a yell at at the sky for trumps winning one year anniversary of winning? These people have nothing better to do?

NFL players are just like Hollywood actors. They are well paid puppets there on the stage for my entertainment. I watch for entertainment not to see or hear your political views. have not watched NFL going into my third year. Dance puppets dance.

I respect this, and I respect you. Thank you for your service, your honest words, and reasonable thinking. Too few people understand those last 2 lines you wrote.

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