So you are arguing that the farming of a very small fraction of the area in two small bodies of water makes it scientifically sound to rape most of the area in Calcasieu Lake?

I didn't think anyone could possibly be that stupid.

Thats not what I said. I said "Sister Lake and Lake Mechant are farmed for oysters year round. No one has a problem catching specks there."

Where did I mention anything about Calcasieu Lake?

No one has a problem catching fish at calcasieu either. It's faux outrage in order to push an agenda to ban oystering

Big Lake's problem also starts with the number of guides pounding the fishery...folks will not ever bring that up. I am not bashing the guides, but you have guys like "W" that says the trout numbers are low due to loss of oyster reefs. Then on the other hand "W" has threads on this site that say the big lake trout limit was reduced from 25 per day to 15 per day with no scientific backing, which maybe true. But you have to pick a side for the situation to shift. The guides really have the best chance to take a stand on any issue due to numbers and the economic support they bring to the region. I would pick a blended sustainable model, but if the current population had a choice and there was no lobby, those oyster folks are going to get run out of town.


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If it is completely irrelevant to Calcasieu Lake, why did you say it at all in this thread?

That would be either more stupid, or perhaps an honest mistake.

"Gee Whiz, it's irrelevant, and I know it is irrelevant, but I'll say it anyway."

Who has mentioned banning oystering in Calcasieu Lake?

The consensus here is that it should be limited to tonging, and it should only be allowed at sustainable levels.

The claim that folks here are advocating a ban on oystering is a lie, by a liar, who just keeps lying.

Y'all hands don't know nothing about oystering in the lake in specific areas. They do surveys in the areas beforehand. They don't go to their crystal ball and decide which area to open up. There are also four cultch plants on calcasieu lake

Tong or dredge doesn't matter, the same amount of oysters are coming back to the dock at the end of the season. Dredging gets it over with quicker.

the sports the guides take fishing probably go buy a sack of oysters also to take back with them. The guides are definitely helping out the local economy of the shrimpers buying bait shrimp and croakers

Hold up hoss...

You never heard me say the trout numbers are low on big lake ...

I have been for the 25 per person limit along

I said the big trout numbers are down and it for a few reason but none of which means over all stock is down...

Stock is actually over populated is biggest cause of lower overall size

Agree, however dredging is more destructive.

How can trout be overpopulated. Thought y'all said the dredging was killing everything. Y'all need to make up your minds

It's killing everything but the trout. Are you not paying attention?

Population is relative to carrying capacity. Reducing the quality of the habitat by destroying the oyster reefs reduces the carrying capacity.

Is it that you cannot read, that you choose not to, or that you simply deceitfully ignore what you have read?

I wrote:

[Your] statement ignores the plain fact that the ecosystem benefits of oyster reefs are not only related to the biomass of living oysters, but are also strongly related to the physical structure of oyster reefs providing valuable habitat for benthic invertebrates.

Studies have shown that tonging for oysters preserves the reef structure and the habitat benefits nearly as well as not harvesting the oysters at all. In contrast dredging destroys the reefs and results in most of the calcified material getting buried in the muck and mud resulting in a much less dynamic benthic ecosystem. Further, all the silt stirred up negatively impacts light penetration and photosynthesis.

It is much better to think about the ecosystem in terms of the food web. Everything about harvesting with tongs is better for the food web than dredging.

Guys, dapointisdabomb is a TROLL!!!!! He's just trolling(messing) with y'all. Stop feeding him!!

Ding..Ding...Ding...Ding....We have a winner!

Tell him what he's won Bob!

I do find him entertaining however.

Mathgeek...never argue with an idiot as he will drag you down to his level, and beat you with experience!

He is the Michael Jordan of Trolls and he has a target rich environment in this place!

Drinking a beer with my neighbor Tranh. He is an oysterman. Let him read this thread and he is shaking his head. Said most of you couldn't work a set of tongs for more than ten minutes. And some of you sound like the kind of people that put okra on their gumbo

lol he's my favorite... just don't mention crabbers from glencoe or things will get serious

What he said^^