^^ so much for that amotivational syndrome.

Check this vid out....hits points from both sides. I love how at the end dr oz asks why is tobacco legal when it is way more addictive than marijuana and she said "it is legal because it is". LOL tobacco is legal cause it lines the pockets of the big gooberment.

The Republican parties backers will not allow a progressive conservative to lead their position. There is to much money behind the scenes actively looking to squash anything of that nature. Frankly the Dems have the exact same position they just use different sound bites to cover them.

In our first to post election system, it's a statistical certainty that there will only be two significant parties. The only way currently that we will get rid of one of those said parties and bring some sense/reality into the equation is if there is a incredibly huge movement to vote independants into the office... the movement must be large enough to get a critical voting majority into office anything less than that in one swoop will end up back at the same old tired 2 party system.

Perhaps the greatest power that "we the people" currently have is to not let go of scandals.... keep talking about them... keep putting people into the hot seat over them. Our government really only likes to offer real change / progress of any type in order to distract people from the horsecrap that they do all the time.

Quite frankly it's in our own best interest's to do stuff like nominating and voting for people like snowden, and manning to become time's man of the year... for the nobel peace prize... etc.

To write letters to our senators and reps demanding that corporate whistleblower protections extend to the federal govn as well. etc etc etc.

I mean seriously something like 15,000 people were killed last year alone right along our border with mexico between warring drug cartels. These were not just criminals dying. Innocent have lost their lives at an alarming rate..... So in effect we have a war that is on average 10x the scale of iran,iraq, & afghanistan combined right on our BORDER. and no one is talking about it?

You are correct sir....nobody wants to talk about the troops that guard opium fields over there either. :help: A good friend of mine from high school did 2 tours of iraq and he witnessed this first hand.

Here is my perspective:

I put my self through school working as a deputy sheriff. Once through paramedic school I worked as a medic for both private ambulance services, finally ending my medical career in civil service work in a big city. After 15 years of medical calls and thousands of overdoses, I have never - EVER - transported or arrested someone overdosed on marijuana. Why? Because it is impossible to do! You will go to sleep before you stop breathing. I have run hundreds of calls, and had 3 that were fatal from acute alcohol poisioning. I have also transported more patients on prescrition Rx overdoses then I care to discuss.

Now that I am an oilfield guy, working part time in LE as a hobby, I see the problems from all angles. As an employer, we are forced to conduct drug testing on workers. Yet I can have a guy high as a kite continue to work because he has a prescription from a quack of a doctor. BUT, a man who has worked his entire life will go bankrupt trying to fight cancer and is arrested if he has some ganja to help with his side effects of chemo. Yet, we can make an arrest of a known drug dealer carrying 500lbs, to have the case plea bargained down to a simple possession and get their vehicle back.

To make matters worse, I can be sued and loose everything for having some leach of society video me trying to take a combative 25 y/o into custody who is naked in the street high on bath salts trying to eat my face that was tazed 4 times with no effect, so we go hands on, fighting for our life. The residents of the tax paid housing complex called us to deal with these people, but when we are on the ground fighting to control the maniac, they only film to have document for an attorney and offer no assistance to gain control of the subject.

Or how about the criminal drug dealer that has no job, owns 5 vehicles over $50k, and gets out of jail before the paperwork is complete for selling Roxi's to kids under 18y/o.

Do I like what I see - hellll no! Can it be fixed? At this point I am not so sure. I do know that I am more worried about 2 things right now more than anything:
1)- The abuse of prescription pills is staggering and out of control, with no end in sight. Yet, the DEA and FDA continue to allow it to happen.
2)- If this country doesn't do something really fast with the METH epidemic coming on so strong and fast, marijuana will be the last thing on their mind! I have never seen people as desperate as a METH head trying to score. It is very scary to see, and most have children that are getting stuck in the middle.

This rant is my opinion only, and not associated with the thoughts or ideas of others associated with any employers I have. I will continue to fight the war on drugs in this capacity and will remain vigilant in that fight. I will obey orders of my superiors and try to raise my kids in a manner that leads them down an honorable and successful path in life. With the help of GOD and my wife, I hope I am successful.

Lots of valid points there bro....I quit my job working in the oilfield for reasons you mentioned. The line of work I was in you always have to work in pairs,a tech and a helper. I was on a jobsite offshore of all places with a loratab junkie as a helper. He is prescribed this medication and pops them like candy. I guess he ran out so he starts asking everyone on the liftboat we were on for pills. Everyone turned him down and he saw a worker in the bunk room with a pill bottle and asked him. He turned him down,he had the pills for chronic back pain and needs them to be able to work. The guy went to work and came back to his bunk later that afternoon and my helper cleaned him out,took every last pill. Even though this little punk deserved it I was worried these guys were about to kill him. I called my boss and told them what happend and they sent him to land while I waited for them to send me another helper. I finished the job and got back to the office a few days later. I was shocked to see the junkie at the shop in work uniform,he did not get fired. I had enough at that point and turned in my work equipment. In the year and a half I was there I got piss tested 7 times and passed all of them. Not just a regular piss test,someone actually watches you fill the cup so you can't hide anything. I know this company is not the only one that does it. It is so hard to find clean employees that they send one's they know can pass a test just to keep the company's image clean on paper. Not that it was case but let's just say I smoked a little herb on the weekends while not at work. Come monday morning I get piss tested and fail and possibly get fired while these junkies get a prescription for these highly addictive pills and abuse the hell out of them. They don't get fired cause they have a doc excuse,makes me sick.

Thanks man. Good to hear common sense coming from Law Enforcement.

man that is some scary stuff!

Everyone always screams "what about the children " and CPA takes kids away from parents simply because they smoke weed. What's more damaging to the child. Their parents smoke not around the kids or they get abused in foster care ?

http://m.dailykos.com/story/2013/08/...in-Foster-Care

What happened to MG?

I heard he ordered some weed from university of Mississippi and and bunch of lab rats. ;). Nothing but love MG.

Well said. It's obvious that you are a professional and are going to do your duty regardless of personal opinion. As such you should be commended.

In my opinion the mess we are currently in really does represent a "Gordian" knot, as such there is only one truly viable solution cut the knot in half by legalizing. Take all the people currently employed in the war on drugs and put them to work in the industry created by helping to regulate the drugs to ensure safety.

It is undoubtably a "utopian" viewpoint... but like i said earlier if you aim small you miss small...

We've got the strongest frickin' military in the world that can search a out a 6' plus ******head in some god forsaken sand land yet we can't use them to destroy drug cartels...

I do hope that he has not chosen to stop participating in this thread because of a feeling that he may have an unpopular opinion. I welcome a differing opinion because it ensures solid fact based discussion, and just like in the discussion earlier this month about triple tail.. it can end up with a scenario where people form a common purpose and support each other. In that discussion i did not support the original message of "don't support the CCA because they are a bunch of tools (because it didn't take into account all the good they had and continue to do) But i did end up supporting the letter calling for more study, Because it was a amazingly prudent request to make.

People do not easily change there opinions, and I have no doubt that MG most likely still disagrees with legalization and everything that's been discussed here. I do hope that he is looking for supporting studies / cases to refute whats been said here.

I don't know if anyone here is familiar with the 10th man rule, It's something that was purported to have started in Israel. It was considered to be the reaction that the jewish people took to deal with the atrocities that had been taken against them (no one would have believed that the holocaust could occur etc etc etc) The rule states that in any meeting of 10 men who are discussing how to act / react in a situation. It's the 10th mans duty is to disagree, No matter how impossible the situation must be to create for him to justify him disagreeing. HE MUST DISAGREE. AT LEAST ONE PERSON MUST PLAY DEVIL's ADVOCATE.

Therefore the committee of 10 comes out with a stronger more realistic law which can cover all eventualities because that 10th man forced them to deal with the unrealistic.

Even if MG continues this discussion as only a 10th man, we must respect his opinion and offer valid arguments, and not wild emotion, to come up with the best possible solutions.

who the hell wants to destroy drug cartels? look at all the scandals that have shown that we are supplying them with their weapons. Follow the money, govn feels that it cannot stop the drug war right now, because so many are riding on its coattails in order to earn money.

In think if we legalized weed we wouldn't lose those jobs. Just move them to meth/ synthetic drug enforcement.

It is the senseless enforcement of the prohibition of a flower that has made cops the enemy of otherwise law abiding citizens.

For Louisiana
 

"Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery, instead be filled with the Spirit” - Ephesians 5:18

Whether one accepts the Bible as the Word of God or merely a compilation of human wisdom, one will notice the common theme that alcohol needs to be used in moderation. Jesus himself is shown turning water into wine, and the Apostle Paul recommends Timothy use a little wine because of frequent illnesses. Alcohol use in moderation could be wise and reasonable; alcohol use in excess (getting drunk) was forbidden, because it opened the door to greater evil.

The issue with recreational drugs is similar. Very few drugs are completely illegal, but rather they are highly regulated to minimize the potential for use in excess that would likely be detrimental to individuals, their families, and larger segments of society. One cannot paint accurately with a broad brush, because each drug is different and has different potential for legitimate uses, different risk factors for overuse, and differing propensities for the misuse by an individual to negatively impact those around him.

My view is that recreational and performance enhancing drugs (including medical drugs that have the potential for recreational and performance enhancing use) is that the degree of regulation should take into consideration the propensity for each drug to lead to greater evil and due consideration should be given to the different spheres of evil to which each drug presents an opening including: sexual immorality, unsafe driving, bad decision making, physical addiction, psychological addiction, criminal behaviors, health risks, the occult, inability to meet one's financial obligations.

I still recall when an eighth grade teacher recited the poem, “Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker” regarding the ability of each to yield the desired payoff. Cannabis in various forms can be quicker still, and I bet that in addition to the volumes of scientific literature associating cannabis use with high risk sexual behavior among teens, most readers also have some personal and anecdotal experience with the propensity for young men on the make plying their targets with cannabis and other recreational drugs with the main aim of sexual gratification. The ad campaign, “Get high, get stupid, get AIDS” may sound like a trite soundbite, but there is a lot of solid science and well considered wisdom behind the six word summary. There are some conflicting studies regarding whether legal outlets increase teen drug use, but one Colorado study found that 3/4of teen users attributed the source of their pot to medical marijuana outlets.

Both Biblical and secular military wisdom emphasize self-control. Both academic and athletic performance emphasize self-control gained through mastery of the discipl[SIZE=2]ine[/SIZE] rather than fraudulent short cuts through either performance enhancing drugs or other cheating. Most are disappointed when they learn that a sports hero (or one of their own children) has achieved success through cheating, and most support the testing and other regulatory efforts of academic, military, and athletic governing bodies to maintain the integrity of their activities and institutions.

Good citizens should be just as concerned with self-control as academic, military, and athletic institutions. Most readers should be enthusiastic supporters of the right to keep and bear arms, and would agree with the sentiment that, “Gun control is being able to hit your target.” Most like the joke that a good “one gun a month” law should require heads of households to buy at least one gun a month. Just as the military could not foresee Pearl Harbor coming on December 7, 1941, and the intelligence community could not foresee the attacks of September 11, 2001, the shepherd of a family cannot foresee the time when the wolf will be at the door.

I would hate to be hallucinating under the influence of marijuana or have my fine motor control impaired by some other recreational drug at the moment my family needs my complete and functioning faculties to fend off the wolf at the door. Personally, I don't even drink one or two drinks while boating, fishing, or playing the role of a single parent (traveling with my children or wife out of town.) There are just too many possible combinations of mechanical failures, meteorological challenges, unforeseen emergencies, risks brought about by wild animals or evil people for me to be impaired while caring for my children. And, without doubt, nearly every recreational drug represents some degree of impairment when dealing with unexpected emergencies.

I am no fan of the nanny state or the manner in which the war on drugs has motivated and “justified” constitutional infringements, asset forfeitures, and the growth of government powers. As a man of faith, however, I realize, that the governmental powers do not bear the sword for nothing, and that government restraint of evil is valid if exercised within Constitutional boundaries. In the Federalist Papers, our founding fathers pointed out that one benefit of the federal system was that different states would be at liberty to implement different laws governing their citizens. Bold adoption of new laws by one state could serve as an experiment whose consequences could be carefully weighed by other states when considering whether to follow suit.

By adopting libertarian ideals on drug use without adopting commensurate libertarian freedoms for insurers, employers, educational institutions, or even parents, California, Colorado, and Washington are headed for moral and educational disaster, and the eventual financial disaster that is sure to follow. Drug law and policy in a given state is more a question of wisdom than a fundamental matter of righteousness. I hope and pray that my beloved home state of Louisiana takes a good, long (decades long) look and gives careful consideration to the outcome of these states' policies before imitating them.

Do you see the US as headed toward many more decades of peace and prosperity that will insulate ill prepared heads of households and allow continued prosperity regardless of whether the general population displays self-control or debauchery? Or do you see a future where Louisiana will need to demonstrate a level of self-control that separates it from the folly of California and the Northeast? Marijuana laws have barely been enforced in New Orleans for decades, is this your desire for the rest of the state?

Since the characteristics and risks of each drug are multidimensional, I find it overly simplistic to characterize drugs as “hard” or “soft” or to simply say a given drug is “better” or “worse” than alcohol or tobacco. Nicotine is more addictive than cannabis, but cannabis is more likely to lead to bad decision making (especially bad sexual decisions) and loss of fine motor control. Long term alcohol use may present more medical risks than cannabis, but cannabis is much more challenging for inexperienced users to use in moderation (avoid getting “high” or “stoned” with likely hallucinations and risk of poor decision making). I sure hope providing cannabis to children without parental consent remains a felony in Louisiana and in the other states we'll need on our side when push comes to shove.

The statement about "Hallucinating" on weed shows you really have no idea what you are talking about when it comes to Marijuana.

If it is a moral issue with you then fine but you CAN NOT legislate morality.

If you wanna get biblical.

Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed;

That 3/4 kids get pot from a dispensary nonsense.
That's a sales pitch. " hey man I got that medical bud ". Then kid answers survey yeah I have smoked dispensary weed.

New Orleans ?!? Really. The city ruined by alcohol fueled violence and you blame that on pot.

And a felony. Really ? 2 parents get busted for a ounce and kids get shipped off to foster care and forever traumatized .

What about the children indeed.

Respectfully sir but by that logic people should be locked up for just possessing a beer. How come you approach everything from science until the science is not in your favor.

MG may well be approaching this from a 10th man arguement standpoint.

He may simply being playing the devil's advocate. Or he may be a staunch believer of everything he has stated.

He is however absolutely and totally allowed to have an his own opinion. :)

Same as you or I.

I am not going to tackle this from a point by point basis, every concern you have listed above is easily researched and debunked with a quick google search.

I am going to choose to answer the question as if you are indeed playing devil's advocate, additionally i am going to endeavor to keep it quite short and sweet.

You say in the above that you make sure to not imbide alcohol in situations where there may be a chance that your skills will be needed in their full capacity.

If "Soft" (alcohol, nicotine, marijuana (by any of its various forms), & mushrooms) are legalized. And for some odd reason, you decide that you would like to partake of them.

Are you likely to do so at a time which will put your children / family at risk. Or are you likely to do so at the same times that you enjoy an occasional adult beverage?

The average american who chooses to partake will most likely make the exact same choice that any reasonable person would make in that situation.

The sky is not likely fall, The Zombie Apocalypse isn't going to occur, People are not going to all turn into meth freaks, the end of days will not be upon us...... The only thing that's bound to happen is a bunch of people sitting around scratching there heads saying "why the hell didn't we do this sooner".

I sincerely hope that happens much sooner rather than later. We really really need to focus our talents on things that actually matter in today's world.

You're right ace I'm sorry MG. I've seen prohibition ruin a lot of lives and I get to worked up about this issue.

Not at all. I would not support mandatory imprisonment for misdemeanor cannabis violations. Implying that I would is an example of the strawman fallacy, as is the suggestion that I would favor taking children away from parents for nothing more than a single misdemeanor drug charge.

Implying that I approach everything from science until the science is not in my favor is another strawman fallacy, as well as apparently hypocritical. You are the one dismissing out of hand the scientific impact of the study showing 3/4 of the youths with weed in Colorado report getting that marijuana through MMJ channels. You are the one dismissing and failing to give any answer to the scientific fact that cannabis is a very common contributing factor to risky sexual behavior among teenagers. I have acknowledged the scientific finding that alcohol has more longer term health risks than cannabis, but you have ignored the possibility of hallucinating on cannabis as well as the loss of motor control and greater challenges for inexperienced users to use in moderation and avoid getting "high" or "stoned."


I call your bluff. If you can easily research and debunk "every concern" with a quick google search, then these three should be no problem:

1. Cannabis use is associated with risky sexual behavior in teens.

2. Cannabis use impairs motor control.

3. Nearly every recreational drug represents some degree of impairment when dealing with unexpected emergencies.

A designated driver is a good idea, no? If the soldiers are enjoying a few on a weekend, there should still be a few standing guard at the base who are sober, no? My idea is the same. An adult in a situation needs to be capable of addressing emergency situations, especially when caring for children, whether that emergency situation is a tornado, an allergic reaction, a lost child, a bear raiding the garbage, or gang bangers breaking into the home. If I'm the only adult, then I'm the designated guardian.

Okay...

I would hazard a guess that you can find a study showing that a stiff wind can be associated with a higher risk of "risky sexual behaviour" in teens. Drugs do not drive the reproductive urges of teenagers, hormones do. The biological need / desire to mate is something hard wired into every species on this planet. As a young man i used to think that i needed to get a hot rod car in order to have any chance of getting a date. As i have become older i have realized just how foolish i was. But i can tell you for a fact that i worked my butt off to get a nice car :)

Cannabis use does impair you, as does every legal / illegal drug. What cannabis does not do is take over your mind and force you to smoke wacky weed 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. There is more than adequate scientific evidence showing that people are perfectly capable of being safe, solid members of society even though they partake of cannabis on a recreational basis.

Agreed on the third statement... Isn't that the point? your partaking of a drug on a recreational basis to in order to "take the edge off, enjoy an adult beverage...." etc whatever word you want to describe getting a bit buzzed.

For what its worth, i would say that Clampy is ignoring far, far less scientific studies than you are :)

In regards to the final bit. Sure designated drivers are a great idea. But you still have not answered my question. If you choose to partake of "weed" were it to become legal would you do so at a time when it's likely that you will need all of your skills, mental and physical, or will you do it in a downtime similar to when you would likely enjoys a scotch on the rocks now?

You don't even need to answer. You would do so when it's safe to do so... same as every other reasonable responsible person on the planet.

+1

1. Cannabis use is associated with risky sexual behavior in teens.

2. Cannabis use impairs motor control.

3. Nearly every recreational drug represents some degree of impairment when dealing with unexpected emergencies.


No need to debunk these. You said it yourself. Straw man arguments.

Really are these the reasons we need to put other wise law abiding citizens in a cage ?

1. Being a teenager is what causes risky sexual behavior

2. that's the point.

3. And? Far less of a risk than any and I mean ANY other intoxicating substance on earth.

No one is tripping on weed. Believe me I tried. Once you bake it into something and eat it the liver Metabolizes it into a different substance called 11 hydroxy metabolite which is WAY stronger than smoked cannabis and that doesn't make you trip. Closed eye visuals maybe.

Dude i have read that study that says three out of four kids get their marijuana from dispensaries.
And that's all they did was ask them if the ever used medical pot.

From experience I can tell you dealers use " medical" as a sales pitch. So when the kid gets weed from a dealer and he has told him that it was medical Or from a dispensary Of course that's how he is answering the survey.

You could have saved time and said.


" Drugs are bad Mmmmmm Kay !"

This makes me wanna smoke a doob but work and laws won't let me so I guess it's off to the hard drugs. Where's my beer !

I'm glad these uniformed ideologies are in the minority now.

This is not pointed at anyone... but might i suggest that we all take a break / breather from this thread for a while.

It is human nature to be passionate about what you believe in.

But sometimes reflection can bring important things to light.

Perhaps a 1 day break is in order?

Somehow, I doubt your inability to follow careful reasoning, represent it accurately in your reply, or formulate any coherent reply based on reason and evidence are winning over many neutral observers.

You have managed to remind me of Cliff's buffalo theory from Cheer's:

Cliff expounds his "Buffalo Theory" to Norm:

“Well, you see, Norm, it’s like this. A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo. And when the herd is hunted, it’s the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members.

In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Now, as we know, excessive intake of alcohol kills brain cells. But naturally, it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine.

And that, Norm, is why you always feel smarter after a few beers.”

And that, Clampy, is why you always feel smarter after smoking dope!

And perhaps to take people's mind of things, here is a link to a short music video about the power of dedication and purpose, It's a true story.

You have to actually watch the video to understand as the song is just kind of repetitive / dance... but it does a good job of emphasizing the wow parts of the video.

http://truthsquad.tv/?p=2241. No this is why.

Cannabis actually has Neuroprotective qualities unlike alcohol. Even the gov knows. That's why they got the patent.

To much science to go through. 24000 per reviewed studies. Science is on my side. Have fun being mad in a few years when it's legal MG.
peace I'm out.

Yep, THC protects the brain against overwork!

The neuroprotective qualities are especially effective protection against math and physics.

You're right because you are going to win, and you're going to win because you are right.

Can anyone name this logical fallacy?

One can always fake some science to drive political agendas (global warming anyone?)

It is much easier to fake the foolish voters in California and Colorado.

Louisiana voters are smarter than that.

"In November, Colorado voted to legalize the recreational use of marijuana. Currently, only Colorado residents can purchase marijuana in the state. But they may open it up to nonresidents too. The new state slogan is 'Come for the legal marijuana, stay because you forgot to leave.'" –Jimmy Kimmel

"Several states are now looking into the possibility of taxing marijuana as a source of revenue. That is so typical of the government, isn't it? Trying to squeeze blood from a stoner." –Jay Leno

"According to a new book coming out by a Pulitzer Prize-winning author, apparently when he was in high school, President Obama smoked large amounts of marijuana. You know what that means? He could be our first green president." –Jay Leno

"The White House admitted that Vice President Biden's endorsement of gay marriage forced him to come out in favor of it. So in a related story millions of Americans are trying to get Biden hooked on pot." –Conan O'Brien

"Some Democrats in Congress are now trying to change the marijuana laws, making it legal so it can be taxed and increase revenue. Is that what the government's come down to now? We're selling drugs to pay off our debts? When did Uncle Sam become Scarface?" –Jay Leno

"Yesterday, Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper signed an amendment that officially legalized marijuana in the state. Stoners took a moment to thank Governor Hickenlooper — then they spent a few hours just saying the word 'Hickenlooper.'" –Jimmy Fallon

"The White House softball team played the pro-marijuana lobbyists' team and lost 25-3. Still no word yet on which side President Obama played for." –Jay Leno

“A phone survey found 70 percent of Americans support legalizing marijuana. I can’t believe that many marijuana supporters managed to answer the phone.” –Craig Ferguson

"Today is 4/20. This is like national pot day. And people celebrate all over the world. Although, I must say, the Senate did not celebrate this by smoking joints, for two reasons. One, it would be against protocol. And two, it would mean passing something." –Bill Maher

“Stoners just got a powerful new ally in the fight to legalize marijuana — conservative broadcaster Pat Robertson. He said it’s time to ‘you know, legalize it, tax it, and keep it away from Mel Gibson.’” –Craig Ferguson

“Today, Snoop Dog endorsed Ron Paul for president. Snoop said he likes Paul’s positions on everything from legalizing pot ... to legalizing pot.” –Conan O'Brien

"Cannabis always made me paranoid; I felt like people were watching me. And now I'm sober, and I've got this talk show in the middle of the night on CBS, and I now know that no one is watching me." –Craig Ferguson

"Obama was heckled by someone who said, 'Don't forget about medical marijuana.' The Secret Service has narrowed the suspects down to everyone in L.A." –Conan O'Brien

"Ron Paul is in favor of letting states legalize marijuana, prostitution, and cocaine. So even if he doesn't win, that's going to be one heck of an election night party." –Jay Leno

"The White House announced that it has rejected several petitions to legalize marijuana. They say it has nothing to do with politics. It's just that they can't accept a petition that was written on a crumpled up Funyuns bag." –Jimmy Fallon

"San Francisco hosted the first medical marijuana job fair. The keynote speech was titled, 'Jobs and How to Avoid Getting One.'" –Jay Leno

"According to the latest reports, medical marijuana sales in this country are now approaching $2 billion a year. I had no idea that so many people had glaucoma. Apparently this is an epidemic." –Jay Leno

"President Obama answered questions on YouTube today. He was asked 7,500 times about legalizing marijuana. And that was just from Chad in Portland." –Conan O'Brien

"California had its first medical marijuana job fair. Over 2 million people meant to show up." –Conan O'Brien

"A hydroponic marijuana store is being opened in California and is being called 'The Wal-Mart of Weed.' It's like a regular Wal-Mart except the greeter says, "Dude, have you seen Greg?" –Conan O'Brien

"A new report says there has been a sharp increase in the use of marijuana over the last year. Maybe that explains the sharp increase in unemployment over the last year." –Jimmy Kimmel

"Medical marijuana users are now lobbying for the right to carry firearms. Because no one is a better shot than a stoned old man with glaucoma." –Conan O'Brien

"Los Angeles residents are going to vote on a tax on anything sold in a medical marijuana dispensary. If the measure passes the city could be solvent within 45 minutes." –Conan O'Brien

"California Marijuana farmers are worried that radiation from Japan could affect their crops. Or maybe for some strange reason they're just being paranoid." –Conan O'Brien

"Marijuana plants were found near bin Laden's compound, which explains why bin Laden's last words were, 'Dude... '" –Conan O'Brien

"Arizona just became the 15th state to approve medical marijuana. So I give it three days before they stop caring about the whole immigration thing." –Jimmy Fallon

"Prop 19, the California proposition to legalize marijuana lost. The proponents are all so sad today. If only there were some substance that could make them laugh again." –Jimmy Kimmel

"Thousands of marijuana enthusiasts went to the polls this morning in California to support Prop 19. Unfortunately, the election was the day before." –Jimmy Kimmel

"California will vote on legalizing marijuana on Tuesday. So thousands of stoners will be at the polls saying, "Dude, just pass it ... and now let's go in and vote on Prop 19." –Jimmy Fallon

"In three weeks Californians will vote on whether to legalize marijuana. Which means that three weeks and one day from now thousands of stoners will say, "Oh crap, that was yesterday?" –Jimmy Fallon

"The first ads for medical marijuana have started airing on television in California. The ads are quite expensive. It costs a lot of money to buy 30 seconds during 'Spongebob Squarepants.'" –Craig Ferguson

"Well, folks, Sarah Palin has admitted she tried marijuana several years ago, but she did not like it. She said it distorted her perceptions, impaired her thinking, and she's hoping that the effects will eventually wear off." –Jay Leno

"Sarah Palin has revealed she has tried marijuana, but she did not like it. You know, it's amazing: 200 million Americans have smoked marijuana. The only ones who don't like it seem to be elected officials. Ever notice that?" –Jay Leno

"It seems The Journal of Neurology reports that the longer you smoke, the less likely you are to develop Parkinson's disease. So what are they telling us? Follow me guys. Remember, a couple of months ago, doctors said drinking a glass of alcohol every day was good for your heart. Smoking prevents Parkinson's disease. Marijuana is good for glaucoma. Sex is good for your prostate. You know, screw health care. Let's party!" –Jay Leno

"Big political news out of New Jersey lately. The New Jersey Senate just approved a bill to legalize medical marijuana, a week after New Jersey voted not to allow gay marriage, which means the New Jersey Senate was like, 'Gay people getting married? What are you, like, high? No? Well, let's get high then.'" –Jimmy Fallon

"Earlier this week — this is crazy — the country's first marijuana cafe opened up, which not only sells medical marijuana, but also has a restaurant where customers can eat. In a related story, the recession is over." –Conan O'Brien

"The AMA is urging the Federal Government not to classify marijuana as a dangerous drug and do more research. That's what they said. It's a big story, yeah. Yeah, that request came not only from the AMA but also from KFC." –Conan O'Brien

"Yesterday, voters in the state of Maine voted no to gay marriage, but yes to medical marijuana. That's right, people in Maine believe marriage should be a sacred institution between a really stoned man and a really stoned woman." –Conan O'Brien

"And under the new guidelines issued by the Obama Administration, Federal agents will not pursue pot-smoking patients in states that allow medical marijuana. This new policy is called 'Don't Ask, Don't -- What Was I Talking About?'" --Jay Leno

"Here in California, we have no money. Our budget situation is a mess. And when you have no money, what do you do? You sell drugs, right? A state representative from San Francisco just introduced a bill that would legalize marijuana. He claims it would raise almost $1.5 billion a year for the state in taxes, and another $3 billion in Cheeto sales." --Jimmy Kimmel

"This is interesting. Researchers have found that people who drive drunk are more dangerous on the road than drivers who are high on marijuana. Don't get too excited. It's mostly because the drivers using marijuana are just sitting in the Taco Bell drive-through." --Jimmy Fallon

"The Illinois Senate passed a bill on Wednesday to legalize medical marijuana. The bill was passed after the state senator said, 'Come on, dude, pass it. Come on.'" --Jimmy Fallon

"Actually, the University of California says they may start a marijuana research center. Really? I thought the University of California was a marijuana research center." --Jay Leno

"And there are a lot of new taxes coming. California state legislators want to solve our state's giant deficit by taxing marijuana. Meanwhile, Oregon wants to increase a tax on beer, while New York wants to tax Internet porn. You know what this means? By the end of spring break, this whole thing could be paid for." --Jay Leno

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Hilarious.

:spineyes: Must have been some of dat cripdacronnakillalight....weed ain't no drug there is only 3 side effects happy,hungry,and sleepy. But if you take too many advil that will be your last headache.

5 pages on WEED!:shaking::rotfl:

The question is 'how would legalization affect you?'

Will not affect me one bit

Louisiana is the very last state that would legalize the stuff anyways, well maybe Texas

As a parent, the legalization of cannabis would make it more challenging to raise drug-free children.

As a teacher, more widely available cannabis would make teaching college Calculus and Physics much more challenging. Working at an institution with random drug testing of students would be a definite advantage. Maintaining a level of learning while drug use is on the rise can easily become a bricks without straw situation.

As a citizen, I am concerned about the continued dumbing down of American education, which I see as accelerating rapidly if drug use increases among high school and college students. I do not envision drug users being better informed voters, better able to apply Constitutional principles to practical questions, or more likely to be givers rather than takers. I also do not foresee more intelligent or thoughtful jury decisions.

As a driver, I am concerned that drug legalization will increase the risks of chemically challenged drivers on the road.

As a consumer of medical insurance, I am concerned that drug legalization will drive up my costs.

As a supporter of the right to keep and bear arms, I am concerned that drug legalization will lead to more careless use of firearms by gun owners who are using drugs, and that these incidents will be manipulated to infringe on the rights of drug-free gun owners.

As a former DoD civilian, I am concerned that drug legalization will hinder the recruitment and retention of a drug free fighting force.

As an angler, I do not think the legalization of drugs for oil field and chemical industry workers will reduce the chances of oil spills and other environmental disasters.

As a law abiding resident, I am concerned that drug legalization will hinder the recruitment and retention of drug free law enforcement officers.

The expanded use of recreational and performance enhancing drugs during my lifetime has not been a blessing to my country. As a father, I do not see how legalizing drugs for recreational and performance enhancing uses will leave a better country for my children or my grandchildren.

God bless Louisiana.

God bless Texas.

May they pry our drug laws out of our cold, dead fingers.

[quote=MathGeek;618331]As a parent, the legalization of cannabis would make it more challenging to raise drug-free children.

PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) is one of the biggest scientific discoveries in our lifetime. It made DNA fingerprinting a very simple process. It completely revolutionized science, and it gave us shows like CSI:rotfl: We can go in with a strand of hair or whatever and in a few hours you can find out all kinds of things about a person by this very process. The whole process was founded by a fellow who was wait for it wait for it - tripping on LSD:eek: Thats a whole different egg to crack there, but my physics and mathematics profs in college had to be potheads:grinpimp:


Pot has nothing to do with this, its the ease of getting information and the loss of actually wanting to learn, now everything is right there for us in the palm of our hand. As someone once said 'we have every bit of information right there in the palm of our hand, yet all day we just want to look at funny pics of cats'


"Man that guy was so stoned, he drove off the road and wrecked his car" - said no one ever:rotfl:
Alcohol is a drug and WAY much more dangerous than pot

There could be an argument there about McDonalds also. Fat people are driving it up as well

Nothing is going to happen to your 2nd amendment. We just saw this with that ammo and gun craze.

As an Afghanistan vet, I will tell you that there are plenty of drug users in the US Army:rotfl:

reduce the chances of oil spills and other environmental disasters.

Oilfield can make their own rules, you can't drink alcohol on an oil rig even though its LEGAL. I would also venture to say there are MANY drug users in the oilfield:grinpimp: Methheads



Just because something is legal, doesn't mean people will do it. There are many people who don't drink even though its legal, there are many people who don't smoke cigarettes even though its legal


Its not going to be a blessing, but to me there are way bigger fish to fry than worry about this, and Louisiana will be the very last one to do this IF in fact it does happen. I don't foresee it happening in this decade though, so why are we even discussing this:confused:



I successfully multi-quoted yay me!:rotfl:

MG, I'm pretty confident that given the real side effects and threats of pot, if pot had been legal your entire life and they were pushing for a ban as opposed to legalization, your argument would be totally opposite - it would be an absolute infringement on civil liberties.

Since you are accustomed to it being illegal, and have been indoctrinated to believe that it is a horrible drug, having it remain illegal doesn't strike you as a threat to liberty.

The stuff is no more dangerous to others as the junk in the drive through, not is it any more of a threat to our health care costs.

Congrats on the multi-quote.

When I accepted a position in as a DoD civilian in Colorado Springs in 2009 (moving from Michigan), my wife and I assessed Colorado as a safe place to live and raise children, largely free from the political correctness and insanity that plagued California and Michigan, and with much recommending it in terms of RKBA, family values, great hunting and fishing, good public schools, etc.

Between 2009 and 2013, we learned that Colorado is on the fast track following California into the abyss. The public schools are out of control in allowing every sort of misbehavior (drugs, cheating, sex, booze, you name it), the local governments regard the US Constitution as obstructing their agendas and use it for toilet paper, the legislature is on the warpath against RKBA, and the voting public legalized marijuana.

If allowed, Louisiana will be slower than most states to legalize cannabis and other dangerous substances. But all three branches of the Federal government are out of control. Those pushing libertine agendas will at first use "states rights" arguments to legalize destructive behaviors in a few states. Next, their strategy shifts to impose legalization of these same destructive behaviors in all 50 states through the abuse of Federal power. It is quite conceivable that within my lifetime, abuse of Federal power may be used for force drug legalization on all 50 states.

X2...MG,can you tell me your opinion on why hemp is illegal? It has no effects like weed and the list of products that can be made from it is almost endless.

I have much more personal experience and direct evidence than you realize with the ability of cannabis and other drugs to ruin people's lives.

If I had anything approaching my experience and evidence regarding the ability of super-sized fries and big macs to ruin lives like recreational drugs, I'd be leading the charge to regulate McDonalds.

Drugs destroy lives.

Why not go after the pharmaceutical drug company's? I have seen it first hand how the system gets abused and MILLIONS of people are addicted to these drugs. Most of them have horrible side effects.

People's inability to regulate and take responsibility for their consumption is what ruins lives. Just like people kill people, not guns. Your argument is one thy furthers the nanny state, basically people shouldn't be responsible for their poor decisions. We are talking marijuana here, not heroin. And pot doesn't lead to heroin, being a dumba** with no self control leads to heroin.

You had kids in your class that would have been flunkies anyway, don't blame pot. I smoked pot recreationally and am wound pretty dang tight, and am doing well for myself. Do I still smoke? No. Can I every now and then and still maintain my lifestyle? Absolutely!

Tell me all about how many lives alcohol has ruined. Surely not more than pot?????? Yes, next question.

[quote=MathGeek;618347]Congrats on the multi-quote. :rotfl:



Colorada is full of hippies, and most hippies smoke pot:grinpimp:


Have you seen some of Louisiana's public schools? This is an everyday occurence, where I went to junior high in Monroe was a war zone. Monroe City school teachers up there get paid higher than Oua****a Parish teachers and they jokingly refer to it as 'combat pay':rotfl::eek: and that is all over the state