We should call you "BW" for Brick Wall, because its like arguing with one. I've told you countless times "Oh great one who is as "W"ide as he is tall", that that Marsh was not, and is not, a saltwater Marsh. It is Brackish, so it cannot tolerate high salinities. Water from the lake gets in there and increases the salinity to lethal levels for those plants. I've personally recorded salinities behind the weirs at levels greater than gulf strength. Last I checked, the plants in that Marsh don't grow in the lake.

Stick to your fish "W"eir boy.

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Can u show me paperwork that its a brackish marsh vs all the other marshes with out weirs



I love these super marsh engineers!!!

Yeah, I can show you plenty of stuff that proves it is a brackish Marsh, based on plant species occurring there and typical salinity. They don't set those salinity limits for the hell of it. There is a science to it. Also majority of the Marsh on the west side is not salt Marsh, but brackish as well. Differences in hydrology and land formations prevent as great a salinity influx into that area. The west side is more influenced by Sabine than by the Calcasieu watershed.

I could show you plenty of documents and research over the past 30 years, but it wouldn't make a difference because the almighty "W" knows best.

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Funny how that marsh survived for hundreds of years with no weir system. Just don't see how you can argue that point..?

Believe W and I as well as a lot of others that saw what that lake looked like after Rita.
I can't prove it by any scientific numbers but when those levees were busted it was one of the largest influxes of trout I have seen in my life. The winter of 05 was one of the best I have fished besides 99&2001 monster trout and a lot of them. They are still there but the #'s just have not been steady the past few years

And I have to ask what are the marshes south of WC classified as? And west of monkey island? And east of mud lake.? All these vast marshes are litterly miles from the gulf survive with no weir system to protect them. Are these brackish marshes.? Because there are pure salt year round.

Smalls can not justify why we are saving one marsh when every one on the west side has more tide flow, closer to channel?

Ask anyone who makes a living of this lake and has been here over 30 years...they are all against the weirs !!!

No person but a few like Duck BUTTer and Biggie Smalls want to blow smoke because there job is to blow smoke

You cut those weirs out and 100 more years of nothing changing but better fishing and healthier estuary

Thats a Fact Jack!!! As Stulb Said 2005-2006 best the lake has been in years


"Save the Weigongrass"

Only reason the weirs are closed is the same reason Jerry Jones is still cowboys head coach

Power Stroke to say " I can"

The ship channel hasn't been dug for hundreds of years.

Damn near 75 years

You take out the wiers and you will kill that marsh, the shrimping will be great because the shrimp will have plenty of decaying vegetation to eat, the trout will have plenty of shrimp to eat for many many years, the duck hunting will go to crap because there is no food, it will be open water and mud, and you will never get it back.

The west side marsh IS NOT doing just fine by the way, look at it in different years on aerial photos. A wier (wiers) would help that area as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if some aren't in talks right now.


and as far as the 75 years comment, nothing happens overnight, that is a blink of an eye in geologic terms, and you can see the erosion caused by the ship channel simply by going to Google Earth. Its eroding land away every single day, and its not a government conspiracy or CCA or DU or Delta Waterfowl or in the interest of anyone or anything but SAVING marshland that benefits every single one of us:help:

75 years ago we wouldn't be having this conversation, because you would have been bass fishing in Calcasieu Lake;)

It survived for many HUNDREDS of years just fine. It probably survived HUNDREDS of hurricanes as well, BUT when man came along and dug a ship channel it gave a direct route for saltwater to get into a system that was not a saltwater system. Wiers mitigate against this.

First of all its not my job. Just plain ignorance on your part. The marshes on the channel are salt Marsh, never said those weren't. If what I said was misinterpreted, my fault. A Marsh is not just fish, only an idiot would believe that.

Read my other threads and quit being a heathen. I've argued this time and time again, have countless documents and research that show that area has changed. Private landowners backed the weirs. It was not all government. That Marsh was dieing.

The fact is, the intelligent cannot educate the uneducated masses. People will believe what they want to believe, it is human nature after all. I could show you everything to prove what I say is fact, I could show it to you out there. And you would still not believe.

And for your information, little man, I work for private industry now.

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I wonder how the trout fishing was before the ship channel? Lol

Trout were jumping in the boat brah, you could hang an oil lantern on cypress trees at night and the trout would literally jump in the boat, green trout that is:rotfl:



:inbeforeWsayshisgreatgreatgrandfatherwascatchingt routinBigLakeinthelate1800s

Lol

Yea that marsh was damn near gone the two years it was blow out after getting pounded by Rita and then 100% open to saltwater


Keep digging!!

Hey just come out and say!!! Its all 100% about duck hunting and saving Wegiongrass


Bottomline!! Need Ducks for duck hunting = so can charge $250 per gun= close the weirs =save Weigongrass for duck food= more money

You can spell this word 2 ways 'widgeon' or 'wigeon' and they are both correct, but 'weigon' aint gonna cut it, and you can't blame spell check for that powerpoint slide either:rotfl:

and I already told you that wigeongrass aka weigongrass can handle salinity, its scientific name is Ruppia martima. Not going to tell you what maritme means, gonna have to google that one

I can't decipher what that means. What marsh was/is gone? West side? East side?

Both marshes took a hard pounding from Rita but wind doesn't do it, its the saltwater that remains on site that will kill the plants. Go take a bucket of seawater and throw it on your lawn, see for yourself, cheapest herbicide you can find.
In ancient civilizations when a tribe or peoples were conquered, the victors would salt their fields, so that they couldn't grow crops AT ALL forever brah

I before e except after c

Wigdegon wedgion weedgion

Its all grass and from the looks of it most on this site will roll it up and smoke it

Grass? Make it illegal.

Technically its not a grass, but anyways

You are definitely some kinda special. i can put money on it you were never picked first in a game of dodge ball.:what:

My duck... I knew i could get you out of Texas Hiding!! LMAO what a duck


I see you still have a pick of another mans trout as your avatar!!!

Yep. They were all caught off live waterdaogs in live widgeon grass behind closed weirs.

Thanks Ana-White!

If you cut the weirs, the lake will be on the fast track to a quality of fishing closer to Galveston Bay. The marsh that feeds the lake will disappear. This is not just the position of a couple of self-interested ecofreaks: this is broad consensus among all the scientists who have considered the question. Only anglers who are short sighted in their outlook take your position.

Open water with little vegetation is simply not the high quality habitat for bait. Less bait -> less fish.

This is right. W, you know I'm not slow to disagree with environmental types when their science is lacking, but it is not lacking here. Sometimes their argument is oversimplified, blaming the ship channel, when other man made canals also contribute and hurricanes also play a big role. But the bottom line is that the weirs are needed, and their operation is sound.

Well said!

:rotfl:

How long before the marsh on the east bank of sabine is gone?

Sabine is a bit different from Calcasieu. The ship channel is not as deep for the same distance N (Port Arthur is much further south than Lake Charles). Consequently, there are lower volumes of salt water influx. Furthermore, due to the smaller and shallower openings between the ship channel and the southern end of Sabine Lake, the ship channel actually delivers more salinity to the northern end of Sabine Lake (NW corner). Sabine Lake's more common salinity gradient is from more saline at the N to less saline at the S.

Toledo Bend dam also provides more regulation and tends to even out the fresh water input so that even in dry periods, releases from the dam keep the fresh water flowing in so that big, upward salinity swings are much less common. Consequently (as shown in attachment), the marsh losses E of Sabine tend to be smaller than the marsh losses W of Big Lake.

good site for this

http://sonris-www.dnr.state.la.us/gis/sonris/viewer.htm

You can view historic photos and switch back and forth to really show the land loss

Here are Landsat from 1992 and 2005

and aerials from 1998 and 2008

Those picks are not really true... you posted a aerial right after Rita which flatten all the marsh grass with a 25ft surge


That marsh has came back and grass is growing back fuller than ever in some areas

blame it on Will Drost!

OK, then why does this grass coming back not show up in 2008 pics? Look at that east bank of Calcasieu Lake in the 2008 photo, look at that lost marsh, I can post a Google Earth 2013 pic and you can see it there too

I sent you a link where you can do this yourself and click the layers on and off and see different years flash right before your eyes, you don't have to believe me

Click on this link then download that map on the right, it will show you every single bit of data regarding coastal land loss
http://pubs.usgs.gov/sim/3164/

Check out this map and remember that red is bad
http://www.americaswetland.com/photo...dloss11X17.pdf


and go back and look at the map MG posted, its not rocket surgery

All that red is what has already been lost i.e it ain't there anymore

So the weirs are not helping??? Right?? West side looks better than East side with weirs?

Whats up with that??

Wiers are slowing it down, its all going to be gone one day at this rate

I disagree, the land loss (red) on the west side is much more pronounced than the east side, it could be quantified as well and I am sure it is somewhere but its pretty clear to me

per MGs map and you can look at that site its in .pdf format and I can't copy the pics for some reason, but maybe MG can post a pic for the east side of the lake for comparison

and here's a funny pic I just saw in My Pictures file:rotfl:

from http://media.nola.com/environment/ot...ap_5-24-11.pdf

Reds, pinks, and purples are all land loss. Pinks and purples are post 2000. Reds are earlier.

Based off that map the marsh south of west cove (with no weir system) a so called natural marsh has suffered way less land loss than the east side of the lake controlled by a weir system. Data was estimated until 2010, never get in the way of Mother Nature!

100% right

But wait they will tell u the weirs are making the east side marsh a super marsh


And we are having almost 1.7ft falling tide every afternoon and trapping mother natures habitat from being natural state

I have no dog in this fight, but them maps are not real right, been having a camp in the red part, for 5 year's and the marsh is healthy and nice. No all the trees have not come back from the storms but they growing. Also gator hunt Sabine ref, for3 years and there's way more marsh then there was when I was inthere in 05 , , there are weirs on the west side of biglake and they just fixed last Sep. Don't know if they ever open or close the now. But the first of Sep. I will take a ton of pics and post of the marsh. Are the wiers helping or hurting??? The fishing?? Maybe maybe not, are they helping the marsh??? From what I have seen some places yes others not at all. Just my 2 cents

No way...cant be...duck BUTTer and Smalls know every square inch of our estuary

One last point I will make. Wiers or no Wiers, the marsh is hurting from all the leaving they have done up north and in La. To keep people safe from floods!!!! Floods are the only way you can get fresh water/dirt to keep marshs alive!!!! But there's but there's nothing anyone can do about that.... it's saving them and killing the marsh in all of s La.!!!

Ill agree with u dub. U live down there practically. From what I see from a non avid bl expert(jk) those pics aren't true. There's a lot of marsh that those maps say aren't there that really are. But some of the pics show land where there isn't much to speak of as well. How do they judge this? Serious ques. From a chopper? I know the arial shots are from the air but the marked maps are they judging land loss from the air or do they survey on airboats bc that could be the deception I guess

Pick your poison kinda thing huh? That's good info. Never thought of it that way

Man I'm sick and tired of you trying to trash me. I don't know what I did to piss you off, but get over it. I do what I have to do to make a living, I don't talk crap about what you do. Don't trash what I do.

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