Uhhhh ,W, i'm going to give you one piece of advice just to keep you from spending wasted $$$.
LDWF and The LWFC are two different entities . LWFC is the one who voted in the change. LDWF is the one who provided the biologist that LWFC wouldn't listen to.
Your shirts have the wrong info on who to contact.

W guess what? The LWFC is meeting tomorrow! these are the folks you have to convince. here is the meeting schedule.
LWF Commission meeting agenda for June
The next regular Commission Meeting will be held at 9:30 AM on Thursday, June 7, 2012, in the Louisiana Room at the Wildlife and Fisheries Building, 2000 Quail Drive, Baton Rouge, LA.

The following items will be discussed:

1. Roll Call

2. Approval of Minutes of May 3, 2012

3. Commission Special Announcements/Personal Privilege

4. To hear Enforcement & Aviation Reports/May

5. To receive general information on Upcoming 2012 Wild Turkey Season and Regulations Recommendations

6. To hear Presentation on Zones/Splits Alternatives for the 2012-2015 Seasons

7. To hear Breeding Waterfowl Proposal Presentation from Delta Waterfowl

8. To hear Breeding Waterfowl Proposal Presentation from Ducks Unlimited

9. To hear Breeding Waterfowl Proposal Presentation from Save the Hens Foundation

10. To consider a notice of intent for consistent yo-yo’s and trotlines regulations in Black Lake, Clear Lake and Prairie Lake (Nat****oches Parish), Caddo Lake (Caddo Parish), Chicot Lake (Evangeline Parish), D'Arbonne Lake (Union Parish), and Lake St. Joseph (Tensas Parish), Louisiana

11. To consider the final rule to Establish an Offshore Landing Permit

12. To consider the final rule to Establish Reporting Requirements for Recreationally Harvested Yellowfin Tuna

13. To implement the Louisiana Offshore Boundary for the Regulation of Fisheries Resources as Enacted by Act 336 of the 2011 Legislative Session

14. Set October 2012 Meeting Date

15. Receive Public Comments (This is where you can ask to get your item placed on the agenda for next months meeting)

16. Adjournment

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I am not a stakeholder in Big Lake other than I like to fish there, but when a select few can make new laws without scientific evidence or listening to authorities, it stinks. I would totally be in favor of getting the limit back to 25 on Big Lake, even though it likely will not have ANY effect on growing larger fish, more fish, climate change, prices of rice in China, etc.., but totally FOR changing it back, because there was absolutely no reason to change it in the first place, BUT being very childish about who catches more fish, who knows more because they spend more time on the water, etc ain't gonna cut it. In total support of helping however I can to push the limit change back and passing some sort of legislation that wildlife 'owned' by the public, to be managed by the authorities (biologists) and not from political pressure. If you want to go that route, there would be many more people wanting to help in the quest, but going in there with a huge chip on your shoulder ain't gonna help the cause. Being a good fisherman doesn't mean you are a fisheries biologist, most fisheries biologists have probably never put a boat in Big Lake but I promise you, most of them KNOW whats better for the fishery than W, just by looking at data from the lake. This is the very reason I don't want to have a part in public wildlife management, 1 out of every 4 people thinks they are an expert

More like 3 of 4 thinks they are an expert and if you don't believe them just ask. They will give you their opinion and state it as fact because they cannot be wrong!

Very true, even the 6 year olds can tell the age of the deers!

What is a contact ...number ,email???

Just read some of this and to be honest I was quite impressed. I've learned that because I am a productive member of society with a full time job that I know nothing about fishing. I've learned that because I also have a desk at this job I have no right to discuss fishing ever for any reason. Nice..

Here's my opinion who cares? The average weekend fisherman can't catch 15 fish much less 25 and I hate to break it to those of you that spend all this time on the water you don't catch enough to affect the population either. While you can control the population of a pond by fishing to some extent this isn't a pond. It's a lake with a river that is connected to the gulf of mexico. Ever heard the phrase pissing in the ocean waiting on the level to rise. Good luck.

^^^^This^^^^

Thats a good bit of fishing right there, wish I could fish Big Lake 48 times a year! Some people can't fish 10 times a month, they have children and wives to take care of:smokin:

Ya'll might want to discourage this guy from speaking to the commision. If he pisses em off like he's done to a lot folks on here, you'll probably end up with a five fish limit like south Texas.

:rotfl::rotfl: Nice post.

Parts of Tejas is five?

See your from Texas hoss .... Only two things come out of Texas steers and ?????

U feeling luck today

Is this you being angry about Texas having bigger trout than us?

You work for a Texas company right?

Wrong..we have a Houston office but my company is based out of London

And Texas don't have bigger nothing ..but drum fisherman

The woman are taller then him there too

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And what's wrong with fishing for big drum? My sons had a lot of fun catching big drum.

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My daughters have also had a lot of fun catching big drum.

And when I was a child, we had a lot of fun catching big drum.

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And just the other night, my wife prepared a great meal of big drum.

Two words one big trout fishery...... Baffin Bay

MathGeek...no drum in my boat....lol ....don't even think about it.....

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Our focus will be on specks this trip, as I am hoping to learn a lot and come up the learning curve on the more practical aspects of the spotted seatrout in the Calcasieu estuary. I don't see fishing a lot of crab on the bottom, especially when a guest on a boat with other priorities.

However, if a boat wants to chase bull redfish and drum, I'll bring the crab. My wife has talked me into leaving the boat in Colorado to save on trip expenses, because she overspent a tad on plane tickets to get our children to their grandparents' home in NC, who they haven't seen much in several years.

If anyone is willing to take the MathGeek fishing, I'm available from 12 June until the week of 24 June. Of course, I'll pitch in for gas and bait and work hard to be the best guest who has ever stepped foot on your boat.

Last year, we caught all our drum in Leeville and Belle Pass. The drum in Calcasieu skunked us, but the redfish treated us well.

Great, I love gafftops. And I hope you have a big ice chest because I catch a lot of hardheads too.:spineyes::spineyes::spineyes::spineyes:

Hey wee man, Texans really? Jeremy, I don't know you and to be honest I really don't care to. Your passion is definitely noted, but you let your complex over rule most everything you stand for.(bruh, cuz , mudda) I mean who wants to hear BS from someone as caustic.

Think about this for one minute, it really doesn't matter now, because if you go in front of the commission or whatever agency and make your stand, they are going to be privy to all this BS talk on here and scramble all your comments on facebook and etc. especially this site and they are going to see in a glance who you are.Yep, I am in the Prof. world, but I fish as much as you do or very close to it(I promise) and I am quite a bit older. I don't facebook or toot, tweet, or whatever else there is, I really don't feel compelled to let the world know when I go to the bathroom.If you are going to run a guiding business and keep it going, an attitude adjustment is DRASTICALLY needed, or even your buddies who guide will not offer granny and paw paw and their 2 grandkids. Just as the Baton Rouge folks would expect.

Note: you are a great fisherman, I am not gonna ever take that away from you(on your own waters) just as I am comfortable where I am at.Try to have a lil more tact and reasoning, I realize you catch a bunch of Sh@t , but you are caustic in nature and most people don't react well to that.I wish you luck in whatever you do, being a new Dad is great, and it should be the priority of your life moving forward.I have a feeling these speckled variety fish will still be here when you and I are long gone.

Continue, I guess.

The state record top tens should prove which has the most big trout. Tejas' state record is 3 lbs heavier than ours. That don't sound like much if you say it fast.

State records are one in a million fish. Tournament winners are one in a few hundred. The top ten in a tournament are the top ten from a few hundred or perhaps a few thousand.

Annual tournament top tens are much more useful for studying year to year changes in the larger fish available a single estuaries where the tournament held. State records are more of a glimpse at the biggest fish in the best waters in the best year ever in a state.

So what you are saying is that top ten fish in the state are useless. Except in the eye of the beholder because they have no significant effect in doing a big trout study? What if all of the top ten fish were caught in the same area would that help with a study, or would it just be coincidence?

The year that the Texas state record was caught is not considered their best year.

It is hard to say. Smaller windows of time and more quantifiable levels of effort make it easier to interpret the significance of the top ten trout, especially if the top ten trout weights are also available from other years in the same month with comparable windows of time and levels of effort.

The meaning of the top ten fish ever in a state are much harder to interpret, because they are likely spread over a period of 50 years or more, and it is unlikely to have more than one or two measurements from the same year.

State records are outliers, far out on the tail of the "normal distribution." They also depend on a combination of optimal conditions to produce the fish and an angler being at the right place at the right time to catch it.

If you compare estuary to estuary, Big Lake can not hold a light to Baffin Bay for big trout. By big, I mean trout 9 lbs plus. All the studies in the world won't dispute that.

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The figure shows that the longer lake trout in Blue Mesa Reservoir were very, very fat in 2000, 2001, 2002, and 2006 when their primary food sources were plentiful. Yet the fatness bottomed out in 2009 when they were overpopulated and decimated their food sources. Efforts to thin the herd are starting to be successful and the longer fish were fatter in 2010 and 2011, because their food sources are rebounding in response to reduced predation.

A similar analysis for species in the Calcasieu Estuary would be tremendously informative.

Of course, but the food chain dynamics are much different in Baffin Bay due to a combination of factors. Baffin Bay is a hypersaline estuary which creates a genetic predisposition towards larger fish because the relative osmoregulation energy expenses are lower for fish with a smaller surface area relative to their weight.

Species diversity is much lower in Baffin Bay than Calcasieu, and consequently spotted seatrout are much more inclined to cannibalism. The limit of ten between 15" and 25" is not letting the fish become overpopulated, because the larger fish are big enough to control the population of the smaller fish because the dinks become a primary food source for those trophy trout. In Baffin Bay, protecting the food source for the trophy trout is protecting the dinks. In Calcasieu, protecting the food source is protecting the shrimp and gulf menhaden.

Hey, something that actually makes "cents" to me. :rolleyes: I'll buy that.

some good stuff on this thread.... keep it coming

The limit is 10 fish per day in Baffin Bay, the 5 fish limit doesn't come into play until further south in the lower laguna madre (south of the landcut). However I can say that I have witnessed, and have heard many accounts of, the catching of a small trout in Baffin that is eaten by a large trout while reeling in. Its a fairly common occurrence.

Indeed!

Plain and simple----There is no better body of water for big trout on the entire Gulf Coast from Brownsville to the Florida Keys than Baffin.

I just wanted to say Hi....I have not jumped in this thread yet so here I am.

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So...I have revived plenty of emails back with response ...looks like every one but one person agrees with going back to 25


I also did not know but some people are actually working as we speak on the same thing we talked about....

So we might get our 25 before long

I think for sure you will see the 2-25inch slot go away..... This is not holding water from what I'm being told and could be gone with in the year

Did you go to the LWFC meeting and request it be put on the agenda?

If your serious about this , make a website with information then put the web address on the shirts.

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I want guide limit 15 lol I don't wanna clean a 100 fish!

The figure below shows the change over time of the lake trout condition rating at Blue Mesa Reservoir. The trout condition is markedly reduced in 2009 because overpopulation caused a depletion of important food sources. The condition in 2010 and 2011 shows significant increases because the sporting limit on trout under 38" long has been completely removed, so sportsman can keep every one they catch, and because the Division of Wildlife has also started an agressive culling operation, removing thousands of trout with nets. Continued improvement in condition and growth rates are expected as the current management approach brings the population under control in the coming years.


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This is how it all started.^^^

Simple answer to problems do like the one smart thing the trxans did on Sabine lake ban oystering completely or allow it w tonging only can't wipe reef out tongs those dredge boats whipe the hole damn thing out.

So where do we stand on this issue ????
We know some guys paid lots of money to get there greed in place...

So now were about to fight back with biologist and facts

\,,/(^_^)\,,/ rock on!!

Are biologiest similar to poltergeist or something like that?? :p

In my best little girl voice - "They're Here"!:grinpimp: